The Owners

[Arn]

When they bought the club they promised no big cash injections, and I have posted a few times that all we needed was someone to come in and clear the debt, allow all opperating profit to be invested in the team and then facilitate the new stadium.

What this means is that LFC wont be challenging (bar managerial miracles) for 3 or 4 years as our high turnover and the financial fair play rules perculate through the league. I have resigned myself to that for a long time and consoled myself with the knowledge that when we get back on our perch we will have earnt it the old fashioned way and not bought it like a bunch of chavy sheik arseholes.

Having endured the last 20 years, I can quite easily put up with that as an interim period without throwing any rattles from the pram.

They still have a few windows when they can spend big and that is why every window is so important now. You are allowed for example to make a €50m loss in this summers window. After that you are allowed to make less and less losses until you 2013 must break even.

[Riche]

Quit your jibber-jabber. Am i supposed to see Rafa moaning about G&H as a bad thing..? Was his lampshade/table leg analogy a cardinal sin?

Give rafa a couple of weeks break and an honest fresh start at LFC and he'd be fine. He only picks fights with owners when they bull**** him or undermine him. There was no moaning under Moores because they were honest with him about resources and supported him and his decisions.

I don't know why this is rocket science to some people.

[CJ]

I don't know why this is rocket science to some people.

it isn't rocket science at all. Its just from an owners point of view this sort of behaviour may not be what they want. Of course we the fans want it. However what manager gets exactly what they want? the worry may be that, they the owners think he would exhibit that same behaviour with them if there was a difference of views.

That is why the owners may not be quite as happy with it. Not saying what Rafa did was wrong just saying that if you where an owner then it may not be top of the list of things you look for.

[James P]

They still have a few windows when they can spend big and that is why every window is so important now. You are allowed for example to make a €50m loss in this summers window. After that you are allowed to make less and less losses until you 2013 must break even.

Why would they want to make a £50m loss in just one transfer window? That's about 30% of total turnover?

You've got to stop seeing this from your own perspective, where you are being emotive about the club, and at the same time spending someone else's money without any thought of commercial reality.

If they spent big in the next few windows, when would that money be recouped, if at all? And where would the money come from? More borrowing? I thought pretty much everyone agreed that that was a bad idea. Finally, if we went into every window with a mission to spend, what do you think that will do to player prices? Look a Man City and what they paid because people knew that they were desperate to spend.

We all want success to return to LFC, but surely not at the expense of financial stability?

[Tatterdemalion]

When they bought the club they promised no big cash injections, and I have posted a few times that all we needed was someone to come in and clear the debt, allow all opperating profit to be invested in the team and then facilitate the new stadium.

What this means is that LFC wont be challenging (bar managerial miracles) for 3 or 4 years as our high turnover and the financial fair play rules perculate through the league. I have resigned myself to that for a long time and consoled myself with the knowledge that when we get back on our perch we will have earnt it the old fashioned way and not bought it like a bunch of chavy sheik arseholes.

Having endured the last 20 years, I can quite easily put up with that as an interim period without throwing any rattles from the pram.

and as I recall most people agreed that that was all they wanted too.

[malg]

and as I recall most people agreed that that was all they wanted too.

However we never expected a relegation battle. Peoples only issues with the owners is lack of action with the so called manager.

[Tatterdemalion]

However we never expected a relegation battle. Peoples only issues with the owners is lack of action with the so called manager.

Absolutely, they should sack the manager as previously discussed, but actually I think some people do expect them to flash the cash - I mean look at Arn's comment.

[Vermilion]

It's a horrible thought, but have we ended up back at square one, i mean, when the club set out on this journey to find new owners so we could compete with the top clubs, we've been through all we have as a club and fans, and yet here we are, with owners that can't compete with the top clubs.

Ok new rules will hopefully help, they simply must, but seems an awful lot of heartache to get where we are, as the league has changed again with the rich clubs getting richer.

Still have hopes that our owners may be a tad special, and have that winning touch, but it's been a long journey to get where we are, and we're still far from where we want to be.

[Fredo]

It's a horrible thought, but have we ended up back at square one, i mean, when the club set out on this journey to find new owners so we could compete with the top clubs, we've been through all we have as a club and fans, and yet here we are, with owners that can't compete with the top clubs.

Ok new rules will hopefully help, they simply must, but seems an awful lot of heartache to get where we are, as the league has changed again with the rich clubs getting richer.

Still have hopes that our owners may be a tad special, and have that winning touch, but it's been a long journey to get where we are, and we're still far from where we want to be.

I don't think this is fair. The criticism which we can aim at them and which is fair enough would be the fact they've stood back for far too long now. They've been granted that honeymoon period, where they needed to learn about the club but it has reached a point where it's close to put their plans in serious jeopardy. I mean, I think we're seriously into a relegation battle now, I can see us plunging to new depths if this isn't sorted out soon.

The owners should have been better prepared for this. They should have known at the onset that Roy Hodgson wasn't the right man for the job and should have been sacked straight away. They all fell for the bull he peddled to them and maybe got influenced by the likes of Purslow, with his ill advised recommendations.

They should cut the links to everything that has been bad as regards our recent history and allowed themselves a clean state. Now the rot is well and truly set and the longer they wait, the harder it will be to come out of this.

[Exiled_red]

I don't think this is fair. The criticism which we can aim at them and which is fair enough would be the fact they've stood back for far too long now. They've been granted that honeymoon period, where they needed to learn about the club but it has reached a point where it's close to put their plans in serious jeopardy. I mean, I think we're seriously into a relegation battle now, I can see us plunging to new depths if this isn't sorted out soon.

The owners should have been better prepared for this. They should have known at the onset that Roy Hodgson wasn't the right man for the job and should have been sacked straight away. They all fell for the bull he peddled to them and maybe got influenced by the likes of Purslow, with his ill advised recommendations.

They should cut the links to everything that has been bad as regards our recent history and allowed themselves a clean state. Now the rot is well and truly set and the longer they wait, the harder it will be to come out of this.

I agree the critisism of the owners is unfair. But I think they knew Roy wasn't the man for the job long term but just a couple of months into the season they wouldn't have been able to attract the right man. I think the initial plan was that Roy could do a decent job for a year to keep us ticking over and would have been replaced in the summer (when the desired replacement was available). However results deem that he has to go now because he's putting the club in danger, the ideal long term candidate is still not available and the owners are stuck in limbo.

[Imy]

If they don't act quickly they will find they own a club plying it's trade in the Championship. In the short term they'll also find dwindling attendances affecting their coffers.

[RedReet]

I agree the critisism of the owners is unfair. But I think they knew Roy wasn't the man for the job long term but just a couple of months into the season they wouldn't have been able to attract the right man. I think the initial plan was that Roy could do a decent job for a year to keep us ticking over and would have been replaced in the summer (when the desired replacement was available). However results deem that he has to go now because he's putting the club in danger, the ideal long term candidate is still not available and the owners are stuck in limbo.

That Chelsea game they attended has a lot to answer for because before that it was plainly obvious that Roy was nowhere near capable of keeping us ticking over.

[BillobShaisley]

It's a horrible thought, but have we ended up back at square one, i mean, when the club set out on this journey to find new owners so we could compete with the top clubs, we've been through all we have as a club and fans, and yet here we are, with owners that can't compete with the top clubs.

Ok new rules will hopefully help, they simply must, but seems an awful lot of heartache to get where we are, as the league has changed again with the rich clubs getting richer.

Still have hopes that our owners may be a tad special, and have that winning touch, but it's been a long journey to get where we are, and we're still far from where we want to be.

We are in the much improved position of not haemoraging £40mil a year on interest repayments. In relatively short time that change should provide greatly increased cash for players, but it has only been a few months from a position with a zero balance and it will be the end of the season before we get the biggest installments of annual income from TV/Prizemoney and then season ticket sales. So in terms of cash in the bank, we are a bit short still for a few months.

[red g]

We are in the much improved position of not haemoraging £40mil a year on interest repayments. In relatively short time that change should provide greatly increased cash for players, but it has only been a few months from a position with a zero balance and it will be the end of the season before we get the biggest installments of annual income from TV/Prizemoney and then season ticket sales. So in terms of cash in the bank, we are a bit short still for a few months.

All vastly reduced this year though.........

[Exiled_red]

All vastly reduced this year though.........

Plus we'll have to pay off (hopefully) two managers