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    #181
    Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
    Craig I don't disagree that what generally transpires in practice is far removed from the rules.

    I've been to away games where clearly the allocation isn't 3000 tickets.

    However it always seems at Anfield that we allow up to the maximum (or somewhere near it) so on that basis (and taking in to account the number of empty away fan seats) I made my estimate of the total number of absent LFC fans.
    I thought the rule was a minimum of 3000 or 10% which ever is lowest has to be made available, this then doesn't punish as harshly teams with small grounds.

    However I believe that the home club could offer the away club this 'minimum' allocation but ask for the club to pay for all these (say 3000) tickets. It is then up to the away club to sell all these tickets, if they don't they (the away club) makes a loss. So teams with smaller away supports could only take say 1000 tickets because they don't want to make a loss on them, leaving an extra 2000 tickets for the home fans. So this is how you end up with smaller away support.

    Siimilarly team which don't have great home support (Wigan, Blackburn) often offer away teams many more tickets in the hope of selling the game out.

    For the Bolton game yesterday, the area roped off for Bolton fans seemed to be only half full, so I would guess that there were perhaps a close to a couple of thousand empty seats in their end, the only other area of the ground I saw large numbers of empty seats were in the home section of the Anfield Road end. I would guess these tickets weren't sold, but the rest were odd seats dotted around the ground some unsold and some season ticket holders/supporters clubs that couldn't make it.
    Last edited by Exiled_red; 02-01-11, 03:41 PM.
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      #182
      Isn't the 10% rule for the FA Cup? Or is that higher?!
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        #183
        FA Cup is 15% i think.

        As for clubs making a loss if they dont sell their alloction - i'm sure they get to send them back, dont they? If they dont sell, i mean. They can send them back by a certain date, i think.

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          #184
          Originally posted by alunevans View Post
          the new year's day thing happens every time we are at home on new year's day though. so something else was at play here. people were voting with their feet.
          Not to this extent. I had a quick look back and we've had 41k against Bolton and 44k against Chelsea (ok big team) in recent years.

          As you say other factors were most definitely at play.

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            #185
            Yep, if it had been 40k etc, then you'd think it was just hangovers etc. But 35k is pathetic.

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              #186
              Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
              Not to this extent. I had a quick look back and we've had 41k against Bolton and 44k against Chelsea (ok big team) in recent years.

              As you say other factors were most definitely at play.
              According to Lawrenson on MOTD last night it was the lowest league attendance since 2004!
              You never know, football is football. It could be in five years' time, ten years' time, two years' time. We have two years of a contract here, we are really pleased here, the people are very nice, the fans are very similar to Liverpool fans, with passion, so everything is going well."

              But Liverpool is home? "Yeah-it's the only house we have. Liverpool is my home and I will come back."

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                #187
                Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
                Not to this extent. I had a quick look back and we've had 41k against Bolton and 44k against Chelsea (ok big team) in recent years.

                As you say other factors were most definitely at play.
                This match was on Sky live that day. More than enough to explain that particular stat. That attendence (35000) could be the biggest factor in any decision to fire the dope.
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                  #188
                  Originally posted by Tezza1974 View Post
                  According to Lawrenson on MOTD last night it was the lowest league attendance since 2004!
                  Presumably the end of the Houllier era, the last time we played football anywhere near as dire as we are at the moment
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                    #189
                    Originally posted by wavydavy View Post
                    This match was on Sky live that day. More than enough to explain that particular stat. That attendence (35000) could be the biggest factor in any decision to fire the dope.


                    If NESV see a dramatic dip in match day revenue, they'll be asking a big question why.

                    Could be a huge factor in him being removed sooner rather than later.

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                      #190
                      Originally posted by rcasemore View Post


                      If NESV see a dramatic dip in match day revenue, they'll be asking a big question why.

                      Could be a huge factor in him being removed sooner rather than later.
                      Yesterday not selling out would leave us approx £400,000 down in income, would it not?. Add to that what 10,000 people eat and drink, read and buy in the shop etc. Fair old whack to lose out on 'cos of Hodgson's ****ty vision of how the game should be played. There's no precedenceat the club of this happening. Not 'cos of Rafa, nor Hicks, nor Gillett. Never. FSV aren't thick. They'll work it out no problem.
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                        #191
                        Originally posted by wavydavy View Post
                        Yesterday not selling out would leave us approx £400,000 down in income, would it not?. Add to that what 10,000 people eat and drink, read and buy in the shop etc. Fair old whack to lose out on 'cos of Hodgson's ****ty vision of how the game should be played. There's no precedenceat the club of this happening. Not 'cos of Rafa, nor Hicks, nor Gillett. Never. FSV aren't thick. They'll work it out no problem.
                        You might be discounting the fact that some of those who didnt go yesterday will have been season ticket holders.

                        And FSV?

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                          #192
                          Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                          You might be discounting the fact that some of those who didnt go yesterday will have been season ticket holders.

                          And FSV?
                          Fair comment. How many season ticket holders will have not gone of the missing 10k in your opinion. Weather was good thus non contributary to season ticket holders not travelling anyway. Aren't we now owned by Fenway Sports Ventures? Thought they'd altered the company structure recently or summat.
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                            #193
                            Originally posted by wavydavy View Post
                            Fair comment. How many season ticket holders will have not gone of the missing 10k in your opinion. Weather was good thus non contributary to season ticket holders not travelling anyway. Aren't we now owned by Fenway Sports Ventures? Thought they'd altered the company structure recently or summat.
                            Fenway Sports Group.

                            Dunno how many ST holders it would've been, but i didnt go, so that's one. If there's some travelling from far away, what with perhaps being out for new years eve, getting up early and driving up would've been a mission.

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                              #194
                              Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                              Fenway Sports Group.

                              Dunno how many ST holders it would've been, but i didnt go, so that's one. If there's some travelling from far away, what with perhaps being out for new years eve, getting up early and driving up would've been a mission.
                              Not half though, surely. Still 1/4 mill down at least?
                              I have one word to offer - honesty. I couldn't be devious if I tried. Joe Fagan.

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                                #195
                                you'd imagine it would be at least that taken food, drink, merchandise into consideration as well.

                                Although it was New Years Day that was a huge number of fans to be missing for a home game -

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