Blackburn post match, Roy "we ended the match on a high" thread

[el matador]

Some statistics from the game...

Gerrard

Passes.....69, successful 46, unsuccessful 23, 66,6%.
Tackles....2, won 1, lost 1.

Lucas

Passes....89, successful 75, unsuccessful 14, 84,2%.
Tackles...9, won 5, lost 4.

Liverpool

Passes.....598, successful 440, unsuccessful 158, 73,5%
Tackles....61, won 42, lost 19, 68,8%
Shots......14, on target 4, off target 5, blocked 4

Blackburn

Passes.....295, successful 163, unsuccessful 129, 55,2%
Tackles....78, won 32, lost 46, 41%
Shots......10, on target 1, off target 5, blocked 1

not sure what the comparison is but gerrard and lucas do different things.

Its lucas job to get the ball back and play simple passes 5 - 10 yard passes to get the play moving. Its gerrards job to take the ball of lucas and try and play 20 - 40 yard passes forward or diagonally to create chances.

In order to score goals you have to take chances, lucas job is not to create scoring chances and hence his passing success rate will be much higher because there is no risk involved - unless a worm pops his head out of the grass and diverts the ball somewhere else.

Gerrards passes are arrowed into the forward line or into space for the forwards to get a shot on goal etc. his pass rate will be much lower because he takes much greater risks and plays the ball into the most congested / tightly marked areas. Also not all his passes are expected to hit the target otherwise we would score 10 goals a game.

You cannot compare the actions of a defensive midfield player and that of a creative midfield player.

[Arn]

He was also isolated in midfield because of Gerrard's lack of discipline there.

How easy is it for him when he play with a central midfielder that almost never tackles or that almost always try and make a Hollywood pass?

If you look at the Chalkboard then you will see that Gerrard almost always tried a Hollywood pass instead of the more easy one. The result is that we lost the ball and got quick counter attacks against us.

Clicky

The most important thing is to always finish off the attack so you don't get a quick counter attack against you.

Gerrard's Hollywood style passing game must be a dream for the opposition. They know that they will get quick counter attacks against us thanks to his **** decision making.

[Mattshark]

not sure what the comparison is but gerrard and lucas do different things.

Its lucas job to get the ball back and play simple passes 5 - 10 yard passes to get the play moving. Its gerrards job to take the ball of lucas and try and play 20 - 40 yard passes forward or diagonally to create chances.

In order to score goals you have to take chances, lucas job is not to create scoring chances and hence his passing success rate will be much higher because there is no risk involved - unless a worm pops his head out of the grass and diverts the ball somewhere else.

Gerrards passes are arrowed into the forward line or into space for the forwards to get a shot on goal etc. his pass rate will be much lower because he takes much greater risks and plays the ball into the most congested / tightly marked areas. Also not all his passes are expected to hit the target otherwise we would score 10 goals a game.

You cannot compare the actions of a defensive midfield player and that of a creative midfield player.

But Gerrard shouldn't be out of position either isolating Lucas, which he did. He is not a CM, he is an AM and playing him in CM makes us vulnerable.

[el matador]

But Gerrard shouldn't be out of position either isolating Lucas, which he did. He is not a CM, he is an AM and playing him in CM makes us vulnerable.

matt, with maxi on one flank and kuyt finishing the game on the other, we need more forward drive because those two wont provide it.

I totally agree that gerrard shouldnt be played in central midfield not because he cant do it, but he's much more valuable in the last third of the pitch than in the other two.

Gerrards passing stats are going to be worse than lucas because he has to take more risks but ultimately, he finished with one goal, should have buried his penalty and was unlucky not to get an assist.

Thats the difference between gerrard and lucas. Yes lucas was exposed at times but that's what you get when you play gerrard there.

Its almost like roy hasnt seen any of our dvd's from the last couple of seasons with torres and gerrard dovetailing off each other. Simply, its our best attacking weapon bar none - if you have someone to feed the ball into gerrards feet in space.

otherwise it wont work as lucas and mascherano proved last season.

[Rich]

matt, with maxi on one flank and kuyt finishing the game on the other, we need more forward drive because those two wont provide it.

I totally agree that gerrard shouldnt be played in central midfield not because he cant do it, but he's much more valuable in the last third of the pitch than in the other two.

Gerrards passing stats are going to be worse than lucas because he has to take more risks but ultimately, he finished with one goal, should have buried his penalty and was unlucky not to get an assist.

Thats the difference between gerrard and lucas. Yes lucas was exposed at times but that's what you get when you play gerrard there.

Its almost like roy hasnt seen any of our dvd's from the last couple of seasons with torres and gerrard dovetailing off each other. Simply, its our best attacking weapon bar none - if you have someone to feed the ball into gerrards feet in space.

otherwise it wont work as lucas and mascherano proved last season.

I pretty much agree with how you've called it. We need Meireles and Lucas to build a strong, mobile foundation with Gerrard in front with Torres

[el matador]

I pretty much agree with how you've called it. We need Meireles and Lucas to build a strong, mobile foundation with Gerrard in front with Torres

i dont think meireles' passing is clever enough to play that role. ive been impressed with a couple of things but his forward passing hasnt been of them.

We're going to need someone else for both central midfield positions not just meireles'.

[RedReet]

I pretty much agree with how you've called it. We need Meireles and Lucas to build a strong, mobile foundation with Gerrard in front with Torres

I'm a big fan of Kuyt, but with Maxi and Cole on the flanks in that team, although we'd lack width, we'd be capable of some lovely passing play.

[el matador]

I'm a big fan of Kuyt, but with Maxi and Cole on the flanks in that team, although we'd lack width, we'd be capable of some lovely passing play.

you have to have one player capable of beating a man.

Take todays game for instance, if cole could beat people like bale, he would have gotten past his man (salgado or whoever) pulling either the nearest defensive midfield player out of his position or making the central defender leave his player and or space to close him down. This creates space for strikers or attacking midfield players to move into.

One of the wide players has to be able to beat a man because it can make even the most organised of defences vulnerable. Neither maxi nor cole are capable of getting past a man and it means we never really pull teams apart.

[Mattshark]

matt, with maxi on one flank and kuyt finishing the game on the other, we need more forward drive because those two wont provide it.

I totally agree that gerrard shouldnt be played in central midfield not because he cant do it, but he's much more valuable in the last third of the pitch than in the other two.

Gerrards passing stats are going to be worse than lucas because he has to take more risks but ultimately, he finished with one goal, should have buried his penalty and was unlucky not to get an assist.

Thats the difference between gerrard and lucas. Yes lucas was exposed at times but that's what you get when you play gerrard there.

Its almost like roy hasnt seen any of our dvd's from the last couple of seasons with torres and gerrard dovetailing off each other. Simply, its our best attacking weapon bar none - if you have someone to feed the ball into gerrards feet in space.

otherwise it wont work as lucas and mascherano proved last season.

Yes they will, Kuyt did so superbly in 08/09. Gerrard is more valuable in the final third yes, but not at the expense of our midfield and that is what happened tonight. If Gerrard is going to play CM, he has to be aware of his partner and be a team player, we had the exact same issue against Wolves, he isolates Lucas and that makes us extremely vulnerable.

It is not about his pass accuracy, it is about the role he is playing within the team and if we are determined to play him at CM, for the teams sake, he needs to play that position.

[sean_lfc]

Yes they will, Kuyt did so superbly in 08/09. Gerrard is more valuable in the final third yes, but not at the expense of our midfield and that is what happened tonight. If Gerrard is going to play CM, he has to be aware of his partner and be a team player, we had the exact same issue against Wolves, he isolates Lucas and that makes us extremely vulnerable.

It is not about his pass accuracy, it is about the role he is playing within the team and if we are determined to play him at CM, for the teams sake, he needs to play that position.

Nail. Head.

[Slinky Skills]

he just needs to wait until fergie retires. then we can sit there and piss ourselves watching them spiral down the leagues.

That of course cant happen if we're on league 2 ourselves.

Yep. it's incredible that a team can go away from home and get the majority of the ball, and have more shots, while facing a team who can't tackle, and not look remotely like getting a point for 85 mins.

[Qantaga]

I think the Roy hate is becoming unbearable

While I don't want him at LFC and the sooner he is replaced by either Kenny Dalglish or Rafa the better. The thing is though, Roy is under more pressure than any other manager in the premier league, he's also had a massive task in taking on the Liverpool side we now have and doing something with it in a very short space of time, we all knew this season was going to be similar to that of last season. He can't feel comfortable in the situation he is in and I know he will be gone if we fail to beat Man United on Sunday. I think we all have to be patient though, kicking out Roy is easy enough but who do you replace him with? and if they finish the season/ start next season poorly are we going to throw hate at them too?

Sometimes I think being a Liverpool supporter really means just that, yet so many fans are hating something about the club, be it the manager, the players or even Steven Gerrard, despite the fact he's the best footballer this club has seen in years. The Rafa hate was bad enough, now the Roy hate, why can't we all just be nice. Instead of '**** off Roy you cunt' can't we all just be like 'Roy would you please resign' or 'NESV, get us a new manager'.

Despite some of Roys rubbish press comments he's not a terrible man, he doesn't deserve the hate he's getting, he has just been thrown in the deep end and drowned. Now we have a dead man fish floating upside down in a pool managing our club. It's clearly not working for us but the thing is, it's not working for him either. He doesn't have the time or the support to do anything with our Liverpool side at the moment.

Anyway. Bring back Kenny FFS, so when haters gunna hate, I'm gunna kill them mutha fukkers.

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[Fernandinho]

Couldn't you say mother not nice's instead of mother ****ers

[little dave hedgehog]

mother so and sos
mother jerks
mother bad men

[little dave hedgehog]

eventually people will be producing lfc shaped dolls, and showing people where uncle roy's been touching them