Liverpool v Everton Post Match

[Lecter]

The pressing and the players actually moving into and creating space, demanding the ball.

So is Reina passing it out the back he hardly hoofed it today unless it was just to clear it when under pressure

Massive improvement imo

[Daniel 7]

thanks but i feel that view would be better if given by others

thanks for the thought though

That was mean!

I think Roy managed to suck the life force and confidence out of the players. We can see the Kenny effect on Torres already - that was easy, he clearly didn't have any faith in his tactical role in the team. It was ****.

Its the defence thats the issue. There's no leader at the back to organise when Carragher isn't there, and this is the 3rd different defensive tactic we've had in 8/9 months. That together with some easily confused and limited players, you have a ****ing big problem.

[danperkins]

thanks but i feel that view would be better if given by others

thanks for the thought though

I should have known better, well done

[CJ]

So is Reina passing it out the back he hardly hoofed it today unless it was just to clear it when under pressure

Massive improvement imo

to me it shows that there is a road back. though he is one of our best players

[Lecter]

i see your point. however in 18 months we have had rafa for 12 bodge for 6 and the King for a week.

now then we have already seen improvement on the pitch, though admittedly not results.

if the players are half decent and bodge was coaching a way that didnt suit them then surely it shouldnt be irreparable damage should it?

The thing is you fall in to habits when they are coached into you

I've heard Hodgsons coaching described as "positive brainwashing" and when you are spending 90% of your sessions focussing on drilling organisation/positional/mind numbing zonal defending its bound to effect things

I said months ago my biggest fear was Roy's tactics / ideas becoming ingrained in the club - those stubborn dog**** stains are hard to remove at times

They clearly have stuck with the players but today was a big improvement in terms of shape, passing and direction

Defensively we have MASSIVE problems though and to rectify those I feel we will have to go into the transfer market

[Tatterdemalion]

I agree with a lot of what you've put there but I would put as an opposite to your last point, 'Some people can't seem to get their heads round that a number of our players just aren't good enough'

Fair enough but I don't see how that is incompatible, or opposite.

[SimonNo7]

So is Reina passing it out the back he hardly hoofed it today unless it was just to clear it when under pressure

Massive improvement imo

Absolutely and we saw what happens when we lose a player who can actually play when Agger went off and was replaced with Soto.

This is why we need to have a bit of a rebuild, around the fantastic spine of Pepe, Agger, Stevie and Nando.

[danperkins]

Absolutely and we saw what happens when we lose a player who can actually play when Agger went off and was replaced with Soto.

This is why we need to have a bit of a rebuild, around the fantastic spine of Pepe, Agger, Stevie and Nando.

For sure, Soto was all over the place on the deck, Everton exploited our CB's on the ground, where we were weakest.

[Lecter]

Absolutely and we saw what happens when we lose a player who can actually play when Agger went off and was replaced with Soto.

This is why we need to have a bit of a rebuild, around the fantastic spine of Pepe, Agger, Stevie and Nando.

Agger is a must for any "Dalglish-esque" system to thrive

[CJ]

That was mean!

I think Roy managed to suck the life force and confidence out of the players. We can see the Kenny effect on Torres already - that was easy, he clearly didn't have any faith in his tactical role in the team. It was ****.

Its the defence thats the issue. There's no leader at the back to organise when Carragher isn't there, and this is the 3rd different defensive tactic we've had in 8/9 months. That together with some easily confused and limited players, you have a ****ing big problem.

oh he undoubtedly sucked the confidence out of the squad. not because he wanted to but becasue he has an unshakable belief in his methods that just wont work at our club. this is becasue they are old fashioned and not suited to our players

rafa said we needed more players to challenge, the bodge will have said something similar (he said all sorts so its bound to have been in one of his many interviews) and its still the case under the King.

How many players is a matter of opinion on here and there are differing views.

there has been something wrong at the back since rafas last season. whilst it was better that year than now we still seemed less sure at the back than previously. of course this year we have fallen apart at the back, in part due to tactics and part due to whatever the problem was the year before.

what i dont agree on is that carra is the answer to those problems.

[Lecter]

For sure, Soto was all over the place on the deck, Everton exploited our CB's on the ground, where we were weakest.

and yet 2 of the last 4 goals we have conceeded have been from balls into the box that Skrtel has been bullied off

[RichC]

Agger is a must for any "Dalglish-esque" system to thrive

I'd agree with that, problem with him is getting him a run of games.

[Lecter]

oh he undoubtedly sucked the confidence out of the squad. not because he wanted to but becasue he has an unshakable belief in his methods that just wont work at our club. this is becasue they are old fashioned and not suited to our players

rafa said we needed more players to challenge, the bodge will have said something similar (he said all sorts so its bound to have been in one of his many interviews) and its still the case under the King.

How many players is a matter of opinion on here and there are differing views.

there has been something wrong at the back since rafas last season. whilst it was better that year than now we still seemed less sure at the back than previously. of course this year we have fallen apart at the back, in part due to tactics and part due to whatever the problem was the year before.

what i dont agree on is that carra is the answer to those problems.

Roy has took us backwards from where we where under Rafa last season

We've lost Mascherano and replaced him with Poulsen ffs

Thats before you even look at the tactics, seriously the owners first decreee should be to ban "Allen Wade's" coaching techniques at Anfield and they should just start a bonfire with all those tactical sheets leftover round Melwood

[Lecter]

I'd agree with that, problem with him is getting him a run of games.

Today was unfortunate

Hes clearly picked up a bug and is struggling

[CJ]

I should have known better, well done

i am only jesting. you dont tend to take things seriosuly. you leave that to others.

The thing is you fall in to habits when they are coached into you

I've heard Hodgsons coaching described as "positive brainwashing" and when you are spending 90% of your sessions focussing on drilling organisation/positional/mind numbing zonal defending its bound to effect things

I said months ago my biggest fear was Roy's tactics / ideas becoming ingrained in the club - those stubborn dog**** stains are hard to remove at times

They clearly have stuck with the players but today was a big improvement in terms of shape, passing and direction

Defensively we have MASSIVE problems though and to rectify those I feel we will have to go into the transfer market

yeah i know but Roy must have really coached them well if he got those things ingraned in the squad? for him to have irreparably damaged it in just 6 months. before that they years of good coaching from Rafa and now the King and steve clark etc.

i just think that Roy destroying everything in 6 months is a bit easy. There were problems before and Roy made things worse but

either our players arent good enough to respond to Kenny

or

Roy was a coaching genius to have got them soo used to his ways in 6 months that they wont learn any better

this doestn mean it wont take time to coach them into better ways but i think that its in part a problem carried over from last season.