How long do you give a new player..

[Craig_H]

safe. on a semi-related note, how long do you give a new poster on Est before making a judgement

Depends how MUCH of a numpty they are early doors.

[Rich]

I only have to see the player walk on the pitch to know

[SB]

I only have to see the player walk on the pitch to know

You should apply for a job at the Club then

[Glenn Hysen]

Usually 5 minutes on Twitter is enough...

[Exiled_red]

It depends on a number of factors, i) if they have played in the league before, ii) their age/experience, iii) position, iv) how often they play v) how they look when they do play, vi) injuries

i) You would perhaps expect a player who has played in the league before to settle quicker, obviously there are different styles of play the need to adapt to but they shouldn't be overcome by the physical nature.

ii) You would expect an older/more experienced player to adapt more quickly than a younger inexperienced player.

iii) Position has an impact there are certain positions which make it more difficult to stick with someone if they aren't settling or are playing badly (such as GK or centre back).

iv) If someone is playing week in week out you would expect them to settle more quickly than someone who is constantly in an out of the team, or playing largely as a sub.

v) How well they are playing shows what they are capable of, for example you are more likely to give someone a chance that has some good performances and alot of average performances than someone that is average at best.

vi) Players who are injured when they sign or shortly after will probably take longer to settle in as they will be attemting to regain fitness as well as adapting to the team (and maybe the league).

[Rich]

You just know that somewhere there'll be a couple of boffins wanting a grant to write it down as a formula.

[Resu]

The youtube video is enough

[barnes10]

for a foreign player i'd not write them off until 18 mnths - 2 yrs.

for a prem experienced player, realistically they get 1 season.

However from the very start, we should see some glimpses of why we signed them. sporadically until they start firing on all cylinders.

If they settle and get firing before the above timeframes then thats a bonus.

Id say compare torres/alonso/reina with say kuyt, ngog and (imho) lucas & insua.

all of them have proved themselves good buys, but it took the latter about 2 seasons of fairly regular football before I was convinced i'd want to keep hold of them.

from the prem we have joe cole. he's a great example of a ticking clock as he only has a couple of months left to get going. otherwise, if we were offered 5 mill in the summer id let him go...

[SB]

for a foreign player i'd not write them off until 18 mnths - 2 yrs.

for a prem experienced player, realistically they get 1 season.

However from the very start, we should see some glimpses of why we signed them. sporadically until they start firing on all cylinders.

If they settle and get firing before the above timeframes then thats a bonus.

Id say compare torres/alonso/reina with say kuyt, ngog and (imho) lucas & insua.

all of them have proved themselves good buys, but it took the latter about 2 seasons of fairly regular football before I was convinced i'd want to keep hold of them.

from the prem we have joe cole. he's a great example of a ticking clock as he only has a couple of months left to get going. otherwise, if we were offered 5 mill in the summer id let him go...

And pay for a Limo to take him there

[sean_lfc]

A week, 10 days if their lucky

Six and a quarter hours.

15 minutes, that'll tell you everything

Usually 5 minutes on Twitter is enough...

The youtube video is enough

FLMAO

[RedReet]

Before i head to the leaba, i was thinking about this one today and its up for certain debate. How long do you give a new player to settle in before you can make a proper judgement on him and decide whether to cut loose or to give more time?

Examples being:

- Keane: got 6 months didn't play well but wasn't exactly treated well and was shipped out after 6 months, even when we had no replacements.

- Lucas: Was so bad in his early career that so many of us (including myself) wanted rid asap regardless of age but now he has improved somewhat.

- Dosenna: Was completely out of his depth from the very start of his premier league career and just wasn't suited to the league and never would have been.

- Aqua: Injuries, lack of playing time but also looked not suited to the league and seems much more at home back in the slowe paced Serie A.

- Meireles: Came into a low in confidence and IMO poor LFC squad, played out of position under a manager out of his depth. But also has looked shell shocked, terrible in posession and for all his tattoos and shave head, likes very timid.

So what do you take into consideration, age, change of country, language, which position he plays, playing style etc & when is the right time when you have to say, enough is enough and cut the cord?

Opinions please?

That’s your opinion on Lucas, a lot of people thought he done ok and could see his potential.

Harsh on Meireles also. In such a dire season, I’d say he’s one of the few that can hold his head up high. Looks very good when played in his natural position in the centre.

I would have been interested to have read your opinion on Alonso at the time in the season’s prior to his last. I get the impression that if a midfielder isn’t a goal scoring dynamo (or play for United which you have a fondness for) then they aren’t good enough in your eyes.

for a foreign player i'd not write them off until 18 mnths - 2 yrs.

for a prem experienced player, realistically they get 1 season.

However from the very start, we should see some glimpses of why we signed them. sporadically until they start firing on all cylinders.

If they settle and get firing before the above timeframes then thats a bonus.

Id say compare torres/alonso/reina with say kuyt, ngog and (imho) lucas & insua.

all of them have proved themselves good buys, but it took the latter about 2 seasons of fairly regular football before I was convinced i'd want to keep hold of them.

from the prem we have joe cole. he's a great example of a ticking clock as he only has a couple of months left to get going. otherwise, if we were offered 5 mill in the summer id let him go...

Kuyt was voted fans player of the year in his first season. Until the time when his Da died he was very effective up front and even had Torres branding him as ‘exceptional’ when he played alongside him.

[Exiled_red]

for a foreign player i'd not write them off until 18 mnths - 2 yrs.

for a prem experienced player, realistically they get 1 season.

However from the very start, we should see some glimpses of why we signed them. sporadically until they start firing on all cylinders.

If they settle and get firing before the above timeframes then thats a bonus.

Id say compare torres/alonso/reina with say kuyt, ngog and (imho) lucas & insua. all of them have proved themselves good buys, but it took the latter about 2 seasons of fairly regular football before I was convinced i'd want to keep hold of them.


from the prem we have joe cole. he's a great example of a ticking clock as he only has a couple of months left to get going. otherwise, if we were offered 5 mill in the summer id let him go...

Kuyt did well in his first season, Alonso took a few months to settle IIRC people were saying he was too light weight and needed too much time on the ball.

Ngog, Lucas and Insua all took time to settle because i) they were/are young inexperienced players who were/are still developing, ii) they weren't played week in week out (as you say). I think alot of people are quick to judge people on the length of time they have been at the club rather than the amount of regular game time they get.

I think that we need to take both into account when judging young players. If you sign an 18 year old kid from Spain it's going to take longer for him to settle in than a Spanish international because of the difference in experience. If you give a Xabi Alonso 2 years before judging him then you'll have to give a Dani Pacheco longer than that IMO.

[The Birdman]

Ronaldo was ****e for 2 seasons..............
Nani was even worse for at least 2 seasons..........
Bale was almost sold by Spurs last Jan (I think it was in the Jan window)
Walcott has been at Arsenal 4 years - has he really produced week in week out.
Nasri was average for 2 seasons now should win player of the season.


The answer to your question though is - It depends on how successful the team the player is playing for are being against their 'target' or 'level'.
I.E. the players I listed above have all been allowed plently of time to adapt and settle in because the clubs they were playing for were achiveing enough 'success' or making enough 'progress'.

Our problem is that the expectations are so high a lot of fans and parts of the media don't allow any of our signings time to adapt because we need the new signings to have an immediate impact to improve our fortunes


Edit my own post - don't get me started on Berbatov costing £30m and being atrocious for the first 2 years before coming into some form this season yet all the media saying he was a great buy

[danperkins]

That’s your opinion on Lucas, a lot of people thought he done ok and could see his potential.

Harsh on Meireles also. In such a dire season, I’d say he’s one of the few that can hold his head up high. Looks very good when played in his natural position in the centre.

Mate that was a majority of LFC fans opinions of Lucas if most are honest.

As for Meireles i don't think its hard at all, he cost alot of money and is very experienced. He needs to man up, i don't think i'm saying anything wrong about the lad, he seems a bit timid and avoids challenges. Have my doubts whether he's cut out for this particular league, same as Aqua but time will tell and i'm perfectly happy to have egg on my face if he succeeds

[danperkins]

Ronaldo was ****e for 2 seasons..............
Nani was even worse for at least 2 seasons..........
Bale was almost sold by Spurs last Jan (I think it was in the Jan window)
Walcott has been at Arsenal 4 years - has he really produced week in week out.
Nasri was average for 2 seasons now should win player of the season.


The answer to your question though is - It depends on how successful the team the player is playing for are being against their 'target' or 'level'.
I.E. the players I listed above have all been allowed plently of time to adapt and settle in because the clubs they were playing for were achiveing enough 'success' or making enough 'progress'.

Our problem is that the expectations are so high a lot of fans and parts of the media don't allow any of our signings time to adapt because we need the new signings to have an immediate impact to improve our fortunes