New formation with carroll and suarez ?

[Redspin]

The more I see Suarez youtube highlights (), the more I think it would be a criminal waste to put him out wide, even in a 4-3-3. Nope, Kenny gave him number 7, he wants him to play number 7.

When we get wingers, we'll be switching to 4-4-2 and teach Gerrard how to defend. My 2p.

There's a bit of a contradiction in your post. In saying that Dalglish wants Suarez to play number 7, I assume you mean in the traditional number 7 role. However you also say it would be criminal to put him out wide. In fact the number 7 was traditionally an out and out winger - right winger in fact, colloquially (outside right to be precise).

A number 7 is therefore a wide man in any standard approach to a numbering system

In the post mid-sixties era of course numbers only approximate to a player's position (in some cases like Milan Baros at number 5 (traditionally centre-half), not at all), so a number 7 can be just about anything these days.

From what I've seen Suarez does often play wide (or in the hole). But not wide like a traditional winger. More like how Spain use Villa, to the left of the attacking midfield three in a 4-2-3-1, coming from deeper and wider into space made by the likes of Torres. The system accommodates Villa very well, as it has done with Suarez in his career

[Redspin]

When I was a boy 7 and 11 were wingers with the centre half wearing 5. But I can't remember what the formation was, can you?

There was no real formation. Teams were written down as 2-3-5 - the two furthest back were, unsurprisingly, full backs (number 2 right back and number 3 left back). The next three were half backs, being only halfway back towards goal, but not as far as the full backs (number 4 was right half, 5 centre half, 6 left half. The other five were the forwards, being the most forward players (7 was outside right (popularly called right winger), 8 inside right, 9 centre-forward, 10 inside left, 11 outside left (left winger).

How it worked when I was a kid was that the full backs pretty well never crossed the halfway line except for the odd occasion when the team attacked and were kept company on the halfway line by the centre-half.

The right and left half were essentially midfielders in today's parlance and they kept more or less to the right or left of central midfield. The outside right and left hugged the touchline and rarely came inside and were proper wingers.

The centre-forward (9) was always a striker (a term I never heard before 1966, ditto midfielder and centre-back) and the number 8 and number 10 could equally be a striker or a midfielder. Most teams had one of them as a striker (we had Hunt at 8 as a striker next to St John at number 9). The number 10 for us was Jimmy Melia, a midfielder, but in other teams the 10 could be a striker.

Shankly later caused a stir by playing Tommy Smith as a twin centre half alongside Ron Yeats, but wearing number 10. It was the first time I can recall a player not playing where his shirt number indicated and also the first time that a team used two centre halves. This was a revolutionary concept

By 1966 all teams more or less were playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-4 (in essence the same thing) and the line-up was written down as that rather than the old 2-3-5 and terms like centre back, midfielder and striker were in common usage

[fordy434]

4-4-2

Pepe and 4 defenders(**** knows who as our defence is ever changing)

Ahead of that:

Gerrard -------- Lucas ---- Meireles ---- Maxi/Cole

----------- Suarez ------- Carroll ------

I like it, i like it alot

i think we should stick with Cole. He is a good player and has proven he can do it in the past. I think with him and Gerrard pushing forward they can provide good link up with Carroll and Suarez

[kubrickscube]

I hate all this 4-3-2-1/4-2-3-1/4-1-2-1-1-1 ****e....just play 4-4-2 where every man knows their role in the team.
Keep the thing simple. Will be more effective too imo.

Isn't a rigid 442 what Roy was trying to do? Only he didn't have the players to fullfill those roles?

[SB]

When I was a boy 7 and 11 were wingers with the centre half wearing 5. But I can't remember what the formation was, can you?

235 wasn't it? or 2 5 3?

[Mattshark]

We don't have the players for a 442. Gerrard becomes a liability in that formation and we have no wingers, which are essential for it to work.

The lack of real quality wingers in the world now is a big reason for most sides deploying wing forwards.

-------------Lucas

-------Gerrard------Meireles

---Kuyt---------------------Suarez

---------------Carroll

With Carroll winning everything and four goalscorers running on to support the big lad.

Rigid 442 can also be easily overrun by a good team with 3 men in midfield.

[Drago]

442 can also be easily overrun by a good team with 3 men in midfield.

That as well no doubt. 442 is dying a very quick death.

It's something in an ideal world you would have the players to switch to at times, but it's certainly not a formation to be used week in week out.

[CJ]

i cant believe people are calling for 442 again.

we still dont have the players for it.

i like how we are playing now but with the new players i hope there is a lot of fluidity and changing of position between them.

keep defenders occupied and give them different things to think about.

[JHP]

There was no real formation. Teams were written down as 2-3-5 - the two furthest back were, unsurprisingly, full backs (number 2 right back and number 3 left back). The next three were half backs, being only halfway back towards goal, but not as far as the full backs (number 4 was right half, 5 centre half, 6 left half. The other five were the forwards, being the most forward players (7 was outside right (popularly called right winger), 8 inside right, 9 centre-forward, 10 inside left, 11 outside left (left winger).

How it worked when I was a kid was that the full backs pretty well never crossed the halfway line except for the odd occasion when the team attacked and were kept company on the halfway line by the centre-half.

The right and left half were essentially midfielders in today's parlance and they kept more or less to the right or left of central midfield. The outside right and left hugged the touchline and rarely came inside and were proper wingers.

The centre-forward (9) was always a striker (a term I never heard before 1966, ditto midfielder and centre-back) and the number 8 and number 10 could equally be a striker or a midfielder. Most teams had one of them as a striker (we had Hunt at 8 as a striker next to St John at number 9). The number 10 for us was Jimmy Melia, a midfielder, but in other teams the 10 could be a striker.

Shankly later caused a stir by playing Tommy Smith as a twin centre half alongside Ron Yeats, but wearing number 10. It was the first time I can recall a player not playing where his shirt number indicated and also the first time that a team used two centre halves. This was a revolutionary concept

By 1966 all teams more or less were playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-4 (in essence the same thing) and the line-up was written down as that rather than the old 2-3-5 and terms like centre back, midfielder and striker were in common usage

Thanks, that brings it back to me. You've got a better memory than me.

[Qantaga]

----------Carroll----Kuyt-----------
---------------Suarez-------------
Cole/Maxi-------------------Gerrard
---------------Lucas---------------
-----------------------------------
Aurellio-----Agger----Carra------Glen
-----------------------------------
--------------Reina----------------

or


----------Carroll---Suarez-----------
------------------------------------
Cole/Maxi-------------------Gerrard
----------Lucas----Meireles----------
-----------------------------------
Aurellio-----Agger----Carra------Glen
-----------------------------------
--------------Reina----------------

[Darth Marty]

----------Carroll----Kuyt-----------
---------------Suarez-------------
Cole/Maxi-------------------Gerrard
---------------Lucas---------------
-----------------------------------
Aurellio-----Agger----Carra------Glen
-----------------------------------
--------------Reina----------------

or


----------Carroll---Suarez-----------
------------------------------------
Cole/Maxi-------------------Gerrard
----------Lucas----Meireles----------
-----------------------------------
Aurellio-----Agger----Carra------Glen
-----------------------------------
--------------Reina----------------

No chance! Thats a terrible selection, for a start where is Kelly? Then why would you pick Kuyt up top with Carroll? Then, and ill leave you off here a little, Aurelio is made of crepe paper.

I would go with something like this -

------------Carroll------------------
------------Gerrard-----------------
Suarez---------------------------Kuyt
----------Lucas----Meireles----------
-----------------------------------
Johnson-----Agger----Carra------Kelly
-----------------------------------
--------------Reina---------------

[frank the tank]

for the rest of the season, i would like us to stick with pretty much the same line-up for the rest of the season if possible.....


------------------REINA--------------------

KELLY----SKRTEL---------AGGER----AURELIO


----------MEIRALES-------LUCAS-----------


JOHNSON----------------GERRARD-----------

-----------------------SUAREZ--------------

----------CARROLL--------------------------

until carroll is back, then kuyt could do the job up front but i would like to see this formation used now so that the rest of the players could get used to it.......


Gerrard in a free-ish role - he has developed the game intelligence to protect the left back but also drift in - lucas to cover the left hand side when gerrard drifts inwards and agger / lucas covering the left hand side as well when aurelio bombs forward........


meirales and johnson provide cover for kelly when he goes forward and i feel that johnson and kelly could really cause problems between them.....

when we don't have the ball, suarez could fall back to the left hand side in a rigid 451.....


we would also have joe cole and kuyt as options......and i think pacheco can stake his claim as well - next season he could potentially be 1st choice back up to suarez, gerrard, johnson or carroll............

[red evil kenevil]

Yup, Kelly and Johnson will be told to bomb forward at every opportunity, therefore we'll need 2 'holding' midfielders.

this is y im a bit gutted ,we badly need width in the team now we have AC, he thrives on the crosses ,if we would of got young aswel the jigsaw would nearly be there,but on a positive note ,been on nufc forum for a chuckle some of those geordies r ruthless bar stuards