West Ham post-match

[Mattimetal]

IMO Ayala will never make it at LFC. I think we need to nail down this position, as well as LB & LM. These positions have been filled by too many stop gap players over recent years.

Wow that's a big statement to make considering the boys only 20!

[Lecter]

He is a banker to give a free kick away in a dangerous position. Think if someone has the stats he has done it in last 5 or 6 games on the trot. Next season i reckon he'll be a squad player

I do think a lot of the criticism of him is at times over the top but in the grand scheme of things at best he should be a squad player offerring cover for any of the central midfield positions we have in mind

[BobTheCharmer]

Watched it live from hospitality box. Faubert and obinna in next box. They were blinged right up and some lovely ladies. We were ****. Deserved to lose. What is worse is some Liverpool fan next to me joining in with the sign on songs and slaging off reina. Cocks.

[PaddyPool]

Lucas is a consistant performer, he puts in a shift so to speak he has done well this season IMO. But he could easily be replaced next season IMO, Scotty Parker made Lucas looked mediocre today.

I think Lucas is the most improved player at the Club over the
past 2/3 years . I genuinely think he is still a work in progress
and there"s more to come . Days like these tho do set us back.
**** that for a day .

[RichC]

Hes 30

Think we need younger myself

We need a long term plan

Defensive / holding player - M'Vila, Sissoko, Tiote
Playmaker/dynamo - Adam / Defour / Martinez etc....

Didn't realise he was 30!

All of those options look viable.

[danperkins]

I do think a lot of the criticism of him is at times over the top but in the grand scheme of things at best he should be a squad player offerring cover for any of the central midfield positions we have in mind

[Exiled_red]

Personally I think long term you either play Gerrard OR Raul

We need a dedicated holding player and a playmaker/dynamo

to all that

[danperkins]

I think Lucas is the most improved player at the Club over the
past 2/3 years . I genuinely think he is still a work in progress
and there"s more to come . Days like these tho do set us back.
**** that for a day .

he has dramatically improved since first joining

[Lecter]

Yes he averaged a whole 2 fouls a game last season.

Its not about the fouls its where you are giving them

Hes a banker for giving them in the final third in dangerous positions in and around our box

He does this because hes either not set positionally or hes too slow

Its not because hes a great tackler and is being hard done by

[Mattshark]

He is a banker to give a free kick away in a dangerous position. Think if someone has the stats he has done it in last 5 or 6 games on the trot. Next season i reckon he'll be a squad player

He is a ****ing DM, he plays in front of the back line, any FK given is going to be in a dangerous position. He gives very few away though, much less than many other players in that position and less even than Mascher did.

Sorry but it is a ****ing stupid argument against him.

[danperkins]

Wow that's a big statement to make considering the boys only 20!

Yeah i hear mate just my personal opinion ya know, and very happy to be proven wrong

[Mattshark]

Its not about the fouls its where you are giving them

Hes a banker for giving them in the final third in dangerous positions in and around our box

He does this because hes either not set positionally or hes too slow

Its not because hes a great tackler and is being hard done by

He is a playing at DM, a position where most players playing there give away many more fouls and when playing in deep mid, if you give away away a foul it is always likely to be dangerous, doesn't give away many.

He gives away very few and people still spout this **** and it really doesn't bare up to scrutiny.

[danperkins]

He is a ****ing DM, he plays in front of the back line, any FK given is going to be in a dangerous position. He gives very few away though, much less than many other players in that position and less even than Mascher did.

Sorry but it is a ****ing stupid argument against him.

No matt, the big difference is that Mascherano was a master at giving free kicks away in positions that weren't threatening.

Masch did foul alot, but smart fouls just to break up attacks or play. Sure he gave some silly ones away, but Lucas is very prone to giving silly free kicks away in very dangerous areas.

It really isn't a stupid argument and has been said many times before about Lucas. Its not taking shots at Lucas Matt, it's just a part of his game that he needs to work on, relax dude this has been said before by many people, not just me

Really no need for the old angry cursey words either, not in this instance

[Mattshark]

No matt, the big difference is that Mascherano was a master at giving free kicks away in positions that weren't threatening.

Masch did foul alot, but smart fouls just to break up attacks or play. Sure he gave some silly ones away, but Lucas is very prone to giving silly free kicks away in very dangerous areas.

It really isn't a stupid argument and has been said many times before about Lucas. Its not taking shots at Lucas Matt, it's just a part of his game that he needs to work on, relax dude this has been said before by many people, not just me

Bull****, Mascher made plenty around the penalty area too. It is bs myth you are propagating just like the "Lucas gives the ball" crap that was spouted for so long.

[Darkon]

**** result, very poor performance overall and especially in the back.

We actually created a few chances in the game, but with the open invite at the back it meant nothing whatsoever.

Suarez did well, but had a ****ty partner up front.

Our whole defence was woefull beyond belief, west ham did what they pleased throughout.

Reina had a seldom poor match.

generally just