West Ham post-match

[Lecter]

He is a ****ing DM, he plays in front of the back line, any FK given is going to be in a dangerous position. He gives very few away though, much less than many other players in that position and less even than Mascher did.

Sorry but it is a ****ing stupid argument against him.

No its not a stupid argument

Its stupid to ignore an obvious flaw

Often he doesnt have to give away those fouls but he does so because hes either out of position or making a poor decision (diving in when he should just stand his ground)

I dont particularly feel the need to slate Lucas at every opportunity he should be playing because we just dont have anyone else good enough but long term we need someone far better than him and less of a liability

Mascherano might have given away more fouls but CRUCIALLY not in the dangerous positions Lucas frequently gives them away in

What Mascherano lacked in positional sense he made up for in pace

Lucas doesnt have enough of either

[danperkins]

Bull****, Mascher made plenty around the penalty area too. It is bs myth you are propagating.

Eh no, and not just me really matt is it?

Man of the grassy knoll? Relax matt, its a simple criticism of a flaw in his game, stop over reacting its not a witch hunt.

[Glenn Hysen]

We Will be better next season when it's more a Kenny team than a Rafa team. We'll be back!!

[danperkins]

No its not a stupid argument

Its stupid to ignore an obvious flaw

Often he doesnt have to give away those fouls but he does so because hes either out of position or making a poor decision (diving in when he should just stand his ground)

I dont particularly feel the need to slate Lucas at every opportunity he should be playing because we just dont have anyone else good enough but long term we need someone far better than him and less of a liability

Mascherano might have given away more fouls but CRUCIALLY not in the dangerous positions Lucas frequently gives them away in

What Mascherano lacked in positional sense he made up for in pace

Lucas doesnt have enough of either

[Mattshark]

No its not a stupid argument

Its stupid to ignore an obvious flaw

Often he doesnt have to give away those fouls but he does so because hes either out of position or making a poor decision (diving in when he should just stand his ground)

I dont particularly feel the need to slate Lucas at every opportunity he should be playing because we just dont have anyone else good enough but long term we need someone far better than him and less of a liability

Mascherano might have given away more fouls but CRUCIALLY not in the dangerous positions Lucas frequently gives them away in

What Mascherano lacked in positional sense he made up for in pace

Lucas doesnt have enough of either

No, it is not an obvious flaw, it is a bull**** myth that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
How can you frequently give them away when you average 2 fouls a game? Don't be ****ing daft.

[PaddyPool]

he has dramatically improved since first joining

Huge shake up this year- hope he is kept. Just a feeling
there"s a gem of a m/fielder in him .

[Lecter]

He is a playing at DM, a position where most players playing there give away many more fouls and when playing in deep mid, if you give away away a foul it is always likely to be dangerous, doesn't give away many.

He gives away very few and people still spout this **** and it really doesn't bare up to scrutiny.

Sorry but it does bear up to scrutiny

If you give away a foul on the halfway line its less dangerous than giving one 2 yards outside your box so its you my friend who is spouting ****

[cream]

joe cole needs to be sold. looked like he was going for a jog.

Wish he'd jog on back to where he came from. Could do with losing a few pounds anyway.

[Mattshark]

Eh no, and not just me really matt is it?

Man of the grassy knoll? Relax matt, its a simple criticism of a flaw in his game, stop over reacting.

Who gives a **** if it is not just you, it is still bull**** and still a myth.

No it is plain ignorance born out of preconception.

[Lecter]

No matt, the big difference is that Mascherano was a master at giving free kicks away in positions that weren't threatening.

Masch did foul alot, but smart fouls just to break up attacks or play. Sure he gave some silly ones away, but Lucas is very prone to giving silly free kicks away in very dangerous areas.

It really isn't a stupid argument and has been said many times before about Lucas. Its not taking shots at Lucas Matt, it's just a part of his game that he needs to work on, relax dude this has been said before by many people, not just me

Really no need for the old angry cursey words either, not in this instance

[GorbyPeacePrize]

Starting with 5 defenders on the pitch is not the way to go, especially if one of those defenders is Carragher - who was ****ing woeful again today - had a hand in all three of their goals, should have had a penalty against him, continually cleared the ball to their players to give them another go that twice nearly resulted in a goal, and was out on his feet after 70 mins and let players just waltz down the side of him. And we've got another two and a half years of this ****e. ****ing hell.

[Rowan]

We need 8 new players! What a nightmare!

New left, 2 new centrebacks, right winger, left winger, holding midfielder and play maker and a keeper in case Reina ****s off. That's why we got battered by a medicre west ham team.

And Skrtel is utterly hopeless. Just sell already.

[Chazza]

Starting with 5 defenders on the pitch is not the way to go, especially if one of those defenders is Carragher - who was ****ing woeful again today - had a hand in all three of their goals, should have had a penalty against him, continually cleared the ball to their players to give them another go that twice nearly resulted in a goal, and was out on his feet after 70 mins and let players just waltz down the side of him. And we've got another two and a half years of this ****e. ****ing hell.

The Jamie Carragher Fan Club

[Lecter]

Bull****, Mascher made plenty around the penalty area too. It is bs myth you are propagating just like the "Lucas gives the ball" crap that was spouted for so long.

Its not a myth sadly

Lucas is much improved this year but in terms of his role as a holding player he has far too many flaws to be a first teamer for a team of our ambitions

His positioning, lack of pace, tackling and giving away of freekicks are his biggest flaws

[GorbyPeacePrize]

The Jamie Carragher Fan Club

The Club isn't going to move forward while he's there bolstering his appearance figures. His running-through-treacle act is a total embarrassment.