West Ham post-match

[Lecter]

No, it is not an obvious flaw, it is a bull**** myth that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
How can you frequently give them away when you average 2 fouls a game? Don't be ****ing daft.

No sir its you being daft

It doesnt matter how many freekicks you are giving away its where you are giving them away

Thats his problem

[Mattshark]

Sorry but it does bear up to scrutiny

If you give away a foul on the halfway line its less dangerous than giving one 2 yards outside your box so its you my friend who is spouting ****

Bollocks does it. It is something that just gets constantly spouted but looking into it, it simply isn't true.
Just look back over Nov and Dec last season (From Fulham away on the 31st of Oct up to the Stoke away game on the 16th of Jan):
FK's in dangerous positions given by Lucas = 0
And if you are curious 3 for Mascherano.

[Lecter]

Who gives a **** if it is not just you, it is still bull**** and still a myth.

No it is plain ignorance born out of preconception.

Please dont call me ignorant

Its not a preconception its a view based on watching virtually every game this season

You have your view Dan and have ours

[Rowan]

Starting with 5 defenders on the pitch is not the way to go, especially if one of those defenders is Carragher - who was ****ing woeful again today - had a hand in all three of their goals, should have had a penalty against him, continually cleared the ball to their players to give them another go that twice nearly resulted in a goal, and was out on his feet after 70 mins and let players just waltz down the side of him. And we've got another two and a half years of this ****e. ****ing hell.

you ****ing nutter.

[mellor]

Slovenian defenders are not the way forward

[Lecter]

Bollocks does it. It is something that just gets constantly spouted but looking into it, it simply isn't true.

Its you sir who are spouting bollocks

There is not a game that goes by without Lucas giving away a daft freekick in a daft position

I have watched virtually every game and its a constant bugbear with me regarding Lucas

Its the biggest problem I have with him that said I still wold have him in the team as things stand today because hes the best we have in that position (which says a lot really)

[DannyMan2006]

Gutted. Pissed our chances of 4th up the wall with two poor performances. Throw in the poor performances v Sparta and you'd have to say the honeymoon period is over for Dalglish. Those type of results under Hodgson and people would be baying for blood, and rightly so.

Dalglish was tactically outclassed today by Grant. Noble, Hitslsperger and Parker dominated the game today and we never did jack about it. It was clear from an early stage we were losing the midfield battle. That set the tempo for the whole game and meant too much pressure on the defence and not enough possession for the forwards.

Wilson I said had to get the basics right today and he didn't. Looked composed at times then naiive at others. Time to go yet for him. Not ready.

I could moan at some other individual player performances, but truth is it all came down to poor tactics by Kenny. I said in the build up thread that 4 at the back is the best for us at present, as in 4231/4141. At 1-0 down we went 442, which was crazy and cost us dear.

I make that at least 4 bad games on the bounce. Hopefully against the Mancs we can turn it round.

[Mattshark]

Please dont call me ignorant

Its not a preconception its a view based on watching virtually every game this season

You have your view Dan and have ours

And mine is from watching virtually every game and then checking the stats afterwards as well.

[Mattshark]

Its you sir who are spouting bollocks

There is not a game that goes by without Lucas giving away a daft freekick in a daft position

I have watched virtually every game and its a constant bugbear with me regarding Lucas

Its the biggest problem I have with him that said I still wold have him in the team as things stand today because hes the best we have in that position (which says a lot really)

Ever considered it is just your perception, because the stats DON'T back you up.

[DannyMan2006]

Its you sir who are spouting bollocks

There is not a game that goes by without Lucas giving away a daft freekick in a daft position

I have watched virtually every game and its a constant bugbear with me regarding Lucas

Its the biggest problem I have with him that said I still wold have him in the team as things stand today because hes the best we have in that position (which says a lot really)

Lucas DOES give away silly free kicks, but I think we notice it more with him. And in the position he plays, it's hard for him not to give the odd one away.

[DannyMan2006]

And mine is from watching virtually every game and then checking the stats afterwards as well.

Stats are bollocks mate, they rarely back many things up. They don't prove much in football. But what you see does count and that's fair enough.

[Lecter]

Ever considered it is just your perception, because the stats DON'T back you up.

Just you and Arn with those stats my friend

[Rowan]

I stand by that. Slovakian ones aren't either.

[Mostar]

I do think a lot of the criticism of him is at times over the top but in the grand scheme of things at best he should be a squad player offerring cover for any of the central midfield positions we have in mind

He is good player but we need more in DM position.

Personally Lass or Tiote would be my type of signing to challenge Leiva for the starting role.

Lucas pretty much rediscovered himself when Roy brought in Poulsen (rose to the challenge and made DM position his own) and he could benefit again from the healthy competition.

[Chazza]

Gutted. Pissed our chances of 4th up the wall with two poor performances. Throw in the poor performances v Sparta and you'd have to say the honeymoon period is over for Dalglish. Those type of results under Hodgson and people would be baying for blood, and rightly so.

Dalglish was tactically outclassed today by Grant. Noble, Hitslsperger and Parker dominated the game today and we never did jack about it. It was clear from an early stage we were losing the midfield battle. That set the tempo for the whole game and meant too much pressure on the defence and not enough possession for the forwards.

Wilson I said had to get the basics right today and he didn't. Looked composed at times then naiive at others. Time to go yet for him. Not ready.

I could moan at some other individual player performances, but truth is it all came down to poor tactics by Kenny. I said in the build up thread that 4 at the back is the best for us at present, as in 4231/4141. At 1-0 down we went 442, which was crazy and cost us dear.

I make that at least 4 bad games on the bounce. Hopefully against the Mancs we can turn it round.

Dont think it was Grant tactically getting one over on Kenny, just think it was that the West Ham midfield dominatated ours and if you look at the state of our squad/bench Kenny couldnt have done much about it.

Bringing on Poulsen, Maxi or Cole would not have offered anymore into the area we were losing