West Ham post-match

[danperkins]

9 fk's in dangerous positions last season given away by Lucas, that is not frequent.

[DannyMan2006]

The problem is that we build the tactics around Gerrard and when he don't deliver it end up like this and you can't take him off can you? The manager that do that would be slaughtered.

If we want to move forward then we must sell Gerrard. I have said that for months and I still stand by that.

We must be able to build our tactics around the whole team and not something that suits Gerrard and what he want.

I wouldn't take him off. He looked one of the few capeable of scoring. What I would do is not give him responsibility. a 442 with Gerrard and Lucas and you can bet your wages that when LFC are down Stevie will bust a gut to get forward but not try so much to get back and will leave Lucas swamped.

[Mattshark]

Its you sir who are spouting bollocks

There is not a game that goes by without Lucas giving away a daft freekick in a daft position

I have watched virtually every game and its a constant bugbear with me regarding Lucas

Its the biggest problem I have with him that said I still wold have him in the team as things stand today because hes the best we have in that position (which says a lot really)

9 last season.

[Arn]

I wouldn't take him off. He looked one of the few capeable of scoring. What I would do is not give him responsibility. a 442 with Gerrard and Lucas and you can bet your wages that when LFC are down Stevie will bust a gut to get forward but not try so much to get back and will leave Lucas swamped.

Try and do that and Mr Gerrard would be pissed off. He want the ball the whole time and then waste it time after time after time.

We don't want a pissed off Gerrard do we?

[Chazza]

I wouldn't take him off. He looked one of the few capeable of scoring. What I would do is not give him responsibility. a 442 with Gerrard and Lucas and you can bet your wages that when LFC are down Stevie will bust a gut to get forward but not try so much to get back and will leave Lucas swamped.

I love Gerrard but i didnt see him bust a gut today, infact I thought he was poor, gave the ball away alot

[Lecter]

9 fk's in dangerous positions last season given away by Lucas, that is not frequent.

Mascherano played the holding role last season whilst Lucas played the Alonso role which was slightly further forward

Now hes playing the deeper role hes even more exposed to this but I appreciate the effort (much like I appreciate Lucas')

[PaddyPool]

Controversial........

When was the last time Reina made a worthwhile save? It seems every week he saves what he should do, but when it comes to pulling one out the bag it goes in the net. I guess a better judge than me could just say he has good positional sense and the ones that go in are not saveable.

Thoughts???

Im in the paranoid club . The rent boy was ****e for ages
prior to ****ing off . Sorry mate - my opinion .

[Mostar]

I wouldn't take him off. He looked one of the few capeable of scoring. What I would do is not give him responsibility. a 442 with Gerrard and Lucas and you can bet your wages that when LFC are down Stevie will bust a gut to get forward but not try so much to get back and will leave Lucas swamped.

Stevie is still one of the most dangerous and creative midfielders in PL and it would be silly to contemplate the thought of selling him as he can still play at the highest level.


Sure he hasn't had a good game today but in fairness who did and he also recently came back from injury.

He is the least of our problems if he is considered to be a problem by some.

[Lecter]

The problem is that we build the tactics around Gerrard and when he don't deliver it end up like this and you can't take him off can you? The manager that do that would be slaughtered.

If we want to move forward then we must sell Gerrard. I have said that for months and I still stand by that.

We must be able to build our tactics around the whole team and not something that suits Gerrard and what he want.

You'd have the same problem with another player

The job of a decent manager is to be the man who gets the best out of players such as Gerrard

Rafa managed that - now its Kennys turn

I would say I'm not convinced that Raul & Gerrard can play in the same side

[Mattshark]

Mascherano played the holding role last season whilst Lucas played the Alonso role which was slightly further forward

Now hes playing the deeper role hes even more exposed to this but I appreciate the effort (much like I appreciate Lucas')

Oh sorry, I thought you said he gave away FK every game in a dangerous position and I told you stats showed he didn't so you change your argument.

[DannyMan2006]

That is utter rubbish mate, this is where free kicks are concede, ignoring stats for that is utterly insane.

Why do you think stats are accepted in science and witnesses aren't btw?

Matt, I don't doubt that my view of a game is not the way it goes down. And so someone could say that teh use of stats would be better than my individual opinion.

But when all is said and down you and I both watch how the game goes down. We don't need to look at stats to say if a player has had a bad game.

EXAMPLE (not based on fact)

Everytime Lucas gets the ball he passes to Gerrard who demands the ball. Gerrard plays an attacking ball. These balls are say 60/40 in regards to coming off. They create two scoring chances in which we score neither. Stats: Gerrard 70% possession. Lucas 89% possession.

Lucas has the better passing. But he plays the safe ball to Gerrard. Gerrard takes responsibility and trys the ball that is not always on. Called the "percentage ball" by some. Sometimes it comes off, often it does not.

The above exmaple is NOT based on fact. But it is one way to describe how stats do not tell the full story in football.

Even in Baseball, where stats count for more, stats do not tell the whole story. Sometimes a player will make a run/hit that will depend on the circumstances as opposed to going for glory.

[Mattshark]

Nice to see you can show some brains when facts disprove a claim isn't it.

[Kenneth]

That is utter rubbish mate, this is where free kicks are concede, ignoring stats for that is utterly insane.

Why do you think stats are accepted in science and witnesses aren't btw?

So what's a dangerous position?

[GorbyPeacePrize]

I dont think you could blame Carragher for any goal

First one was just one of those things it was a cracking piece of work from Parker

Second one was Wilsons fault he shouldnt have gone for that header (should have left it for Carragher) once he moved out it left a gap on our leftside which they exploited

Final goal was Skrtls fault he got bullied and then Reina shouldnt get beaten at the near post

I see, so if one player makes a mistake during an opponent's move, all mistakes or poor play subsequent to that mistake are completely ignored?

[Lecter]

Oh sorry, I thought you said he gave away FK every game in a dangerous position and I told you stats showed he didn't so you change your argument.

Now who is being ****ing stupid

You showed stats from last season!!

When he didnt play the holding role

I'm talking about this

When he IS playing the holding role

Thanks for the effort but please dont try harder your are making too much of a fool out of yourself as it is