West Ham post-match

[Rich]

There's only one winner between Raul and Stevie.

[el matador]

i think with regard to meireles its too late to expect him to adjust to the epl. the difference between the likes of alonso mascherano and raul is that the former 2 were 22/23 years old when they arrived whereas meireles is 27.

i cant see him adjusting his game at this fairly late stage. his goals apart he doesnt do enough.

[Lecter]

I agree with all of this but you've still not really answered my question in terms of how you would like to see us line up with four new players in 4-3-3. How would it look on paper with Gerrard in the team?

Something like this

----------------Reina---------
Kelly----Carragher ---- Agger-----Leftback
-------Holding player--------
----------------------Playmaker-----
----------------Gerrard--------------
----Suarez-------------------Attacking left player
--------------Carroll-----------------------------

[Lecter]

i think with regard to meireles its too late to expect him to adjust to the epl. the difference between the likes of alonso mascherano and raul is that the former 2 were 22/23 years old when they arrived whereas meireles is 27.

i cant see him adjusting his game at this fairly late stage. his goals apart he doesnt do enough.

Different players anyway

Alonso looked as though he had defensive qualities before he came

Mascherano was an aggressive little Argentinian terrier

Meireles doesnt look that sort of player to me and that is why despite him playing a lsightly deeper role in Portugal Kenny has pushed him forward

[ronanm]

**** result. Sort it out.

[Lecter]

**** result. Sort it out.

We had **** results and performances even when we were winning things left,right and centre back in the 70's and 80's

I'm more disappointed with the tone of the performance than the result frankly

[ronanm]

We had **** results and performances even when we were winning things left,right and centre back in the 70's and 80's

I'm more disappointed with the tone of the performance than the result frankly

Thanks - I appreciate your honesty

[Arn]

There's only one winner between Raul and Stevie.

and it isn't Stevie if you look at how he played the last 20 months.

If Gerrard had performed like he did before that then it wouldn't be a contest. Gerrard would win by a mile.

If you look at how they played this season then Gerrard is the one that should be benched.

What has Gerrard done that earns him a place in the starting XI? Right now Gerrard is nothing else than a passenger and that is his own fault.

If he at least worked his socks off and looked like he cared then you could at least hope that he will start to perform. Not even having KK as the manager can make Gerrard work his socks off these days. Someone should spank his arse and tell him to start work his socks off and start to care.

Can anyone really say that it looks like Gerrard want to play for us and I mean really want to play for us?

I would say that it looks like he just want to **** off and leave. He simply can't put his heart in it anymore.

[Lecter]

and it isn't Stevie if you look at how he played the last 20 months.

If Gerrard had performed like he did before that then it wouldn't be a contest. Gerrard would win by a mile.

If you look at how they played this season then Gerrard is the one that should be benched.

What has Gerrard done that earns him a place in the starting XI? Right now Gerrard is nothing else than a passenger and that is his own fault.

If he at least worked his socks off and looked like he cared then you could at least hope that he will start to perform. Not even having KK as the manager can make Gerrard work his socks off these days. Someone should spank his arse and tell him to start work his socks off and start to care.

Can anyone really say that it looks like Gerrard want to play for us and I mean really want to play for us?

I would say that it looks like he just want to **** off and leave. He simply can't put his heart in it anymore.

Your agendas against Gerrard and Carragehr are legendary

Bitterness over their part in Rafas downfall me thinks

You cant be objective about them

Fine I could wear the first bit about him underperforming and that possibly you'd put Meireles ahead of him based on current form (although Meireles' lack of effort and application yesterday was telling)

However the last bit about wanting to play for Liverpool is absolute bollocks. You wouldnt know that unless you knew him - which you dont. You dont know the intimate workings of his mind, the lad has constantly reiterated his desire to stay lets face it he could have left years ago. He hasnt so to suggest any different is a load of cockrot

So what his form is not what it use to be but that doesnt mean he wants out

Based on this assumption there is not many players who would REALLY want to stay because the lot of them have underperformaed for more than 12 months

[Darkon]

and it isn't Stevie if you look at how he played the last 20 months.

If Gerrard had performed like he did before that then it wouldn't be a contest. Gerrard would win by a mile.

If you look at how they played this season then Gerrard is the one that should be benched.

What has Gerrard done that earns him a place in the starting XI? Right now Gerrard is nothing else than a passenger and that is his own fault.

If he at least worked his socks off and looked like he cared then you could at least hope that he will start to perform. Not even having KK as the manager can make Gerrard work his socks off these days. Someone should spank his arse and tell him to start work his socks off and start to care.

Can anyone really say that it looks like Gerrard want to play for us and I mean really want to play for us?

I would say that it looks like he just want to **** off and leave. He simply can't put his heart in it anymore.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCUDcCXPcxk"]YouTube - Dirk Kuyt goal Liverpool V Sparta Prague 24.02.2011.flv[/ame]

say's it all really, he clearly does not want to be here or for LFC to have any succes. Clearly a guy devoted of emotions and ambitions towards this club

[Arn]

Your agendas against Gerrard and Carragehr are legendary

Bitterness over their part in Rafas downfall me thinks

You cant be objective about them

Fine I could wear the first bit about him underperforming and that possibly you'd put Meireles ahead of him based on current form (although Meireles' lack of effort and application yesterday was telling)

However the last bit about wanting to play for Liverpool is absolute bollocks. You wouldnt know that unless you knew him - which you dont. You dont know the intimate workings of his mind, the lad has constantly reiterated his desire to stay lets face it he could have left years ago. He hasnt so to suggest any different is a load of cockrot

So what his form is not what it use to be but that doesnt mean he wants out

Based on this assumption there is not many players who would REALLY want to stay because the lot of them have underperformaed for more than 12 months

Of course it is my bitterness over the way they was involved in getting Rafa the sack, of course

I could say the same thing about you and that you love Gerrard so much that you simply can't make an objective decision about him. You will always come out and say that he want to play for us.

The last 20 months doesn't exactly say that he want to play for us. If he started to work his socks off and look like he cared then I would be happy to admit that I was wrong.

There are a few players that always work their socks and look like they care whatever manager we have because they are proud to play for us.

Players like Kelly, Agger, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Reina, Kuyt, Suarez for example. Players that care and work their socks off in every game.

As long as Gerrard at least start to do that then I will have my opinion that he want leave. Then you could say that he is at least giving 100% and it just doesn't work out at the moment but you really can't say that because he isn't giving 100% out there. You could see him walk around on the pitch for minutes look like he don't care right now.

If he cared then he wouldn't be our worst passer in game after game. Then he would make more passes because he would have his heart in it and really try to make them. Now you could see him getting the ball and then just play a good luck ball a couple of seconds later like he don't want to be involved in the game.

[Arn]

YouTube - Dirk Kuyt goal Liverpool V Sparta Prague 24.02.2011.flv

say's it all really, he clearly does not want to be here or for LFC to have any succes. Clearly a guy devoted of emotions and ambitions towards this club

I don't care a bit about how he acts off the pitch. It is his actions on it that counts. Start to perform and give 100% ON the pitch in every game.

He hasn't done that this or last season.

I can accept if he play bad games but never that he isn't giving 100% on the pitch. I could even accept that he isn't giving 100% in a few games every season but not in more than half of them like has been the case this and last season.

I want actions on the pitch to back up his actions off it, like the celebration when Kuyt scored.

[Lecter]

Of course it is my bitterness over the way they was involved in getting Rafa the sack, of course

I could say the same thing about you and that you love Gerrard so much that you simply can't make an objective decision about him. You will always come out and say that he want to play for us.

The last 20 months doesn't exactly say that he want to play for us. If he started to work his socks off and look like he cared then I would be happy to admit that I was wrong.

There are a few players that always work their socks and look like they care whatever manager we have because they are proud to play for us.

Players like Kelly, Agger, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Reina, Kuyt, Suarez for example. Players that care and work their socks off in every game.

As long as Gerrard at least start to do that then I will have my opinion that he want leave. Then you could say that he is at least giving 100% and it just doesn't work out at the moment but you really can't say that because he isn't giving 100% out there. You could see him walk around on the pitch for minutes look like he don't care right now.

If he cared then he wouldn't be our worst passer in game after game. Then he would make more passes because he would have his heart in it and really try to make them. Now you could see him getting the ball and then just play a good luck ball a couple of seconds later like he don't want to be involved in the game.

People like me who cant make an objective decision - flmao do me a favour Arn

I've slated Gerrard for his role in getting Rafa sacked

I've often said he aint a central midfielder

I've suggested that we should not play him or Meireles in the same team

I suggested he didnt look fit

I have stated he hasnt performed well enough for almost 2 years

The only thing I would question is his desire to play for LFC

As Darkon has posted him in the stands cheering on goals and whincing when Cole missed the sitter mid-week does not suggest that he is a player who has his mind elsewhere

In fact you could argue that Gerrard is probably BETTER when he has had such speculation surrounding him

Maybe hes feeling too comfortable and settled but I think to accuse him of not being committed to the club is absolute bollocks

[PTP]

We have real real issues with the quality in our squad - kenny has obv give the whole club a lift and we got some results because of it but it's going to be a real slog till the end of the season with this set of players and we need drastic action in the summer.

There are too many 'squad' players in the first team, and too many **** players in the squad. - the **** players need too be sacked off, and for me 5 top players needed, and they should be pretty much going straight into the first team, moving the players they replace into the 'squad'.

Top left back is vital
top centre back needed - if agger can't get and stay fit, he goes - otherwise skrtel goes
top centre mid who can tackle, press, has an engine, can take the game by the scruff on the neck - bit like that lad west ham had who completley dominated us yesterdat
a creative winger/mid on one wing/side
a fast pacy player to give us width the other side.

Kuyt, Lucas, skrtel, maxi, ngog, aurelio kyriakos - should never be starting for us unless of course - it's coming in as cover/resting the first team players.

God we were so bad yesterday - clearly not up for the fight - we got raped in midfield - gerrard and lucas were terrible - we had nothing going forward, and the back four just looked a complete shambles - and this was all clear even before we had two injuries and had too change shape.

Suarez looked exactly like torres did at times - just completley isolated and lost

I know this will sound stupid but - Suarez atm is too 'good' for us. In the terms that, we are ****, and it means he will play ****.

He is the type of player i reckon that - if we were a good team, we had Carroll up top on form, a pacy winger causing the opposition defence problems, gerrard playing well, agger coming out of defence with the ball etc, then all of a sudden Suarez will look ****ing world class because space will open up and he clearly has something about him - but right now, yesterday for example, the oppostion defence only had to worry about suarez and give him no time in space, because we didn't offer one single threat any where else on the ****ing pitch

[Lecter]

I don't care a bit about how he acts off the pitch. It is his actions on it that counts. Start to perform and give 100% ON the pitch in every game.

He hasn't done that this or last season.

I can accept if he play bad games but never that he isn't giving 100% on the pitch. I could even accept that he isn't giving 100% in a few games every season but not in more than half of them like has been the case this and last season.

I want actions on the pitch to back up his actions off it, like the celebration when Kuyt scored.

Arn you are making yourself look a total tit

Name me many players who gave their all last season for Rafa?

I think you could comfortably count them on one hand and have fingers spare

Ask the same question about life under Roy - again you'd have fingers spare on one hand

Kenny has managed us for about a dozen games?

Gerrard has probably only figured in about 3 of them

Do me a ****ing favour