Hodgson: I was so unlucky

[Neil Young]

I was talking about the Bodge. But now that you mention it.

I know you (and McDermotX) were.

i think something more humane.

like taking to the park and leaving you there.

you could be the next littlest hobo

[CJ]

come on your self sufficient now.

[Leyton388]

[Neil Young]

[MrMichael]

Much though I hate to bring yet another thread round to this, but....

I do find it somewhat bizarre that so many people seem so entirely prepared to stick the boot in on Gerrard and Carra over the Rafa thing, based almost entirely on rumour and speculation, when so many other players including the likes of Alonso also had their issues with Rafa's man-management style. Rafa was undoubtedly a great tactician and had a special relationship with the fans, however none of us have any actual experience of what it was like being managed by the guy to contradict the obvious conclusion from available evidence that, were there to have been one area Rafa was probably lacking in, it was in maintaining a consistently positive relationship with the playing staff.

Gerrard and particularly Carra have been great servants of the club, and in my mind at least, deserve just a touch more leeway and understanding than some people seem prepared to give them over this issue. Which is ironic considering just how much leeway and understanding the same people can afford to our ex-manager.

Oh, and on topic, Hodgson is a fool.

[Pablo]

Hodgson is a fool.

Good post

[Lecter]

Some people will of course defend Carra and Gerrard no matter how much proof you present infront of them just because they are Carra and Gerrard.

Gerrard had this choice to make. Back Rafa and his good friend Carra would be a bit part player this season and would be playing his last season for us or back Carra getting rid of Rafa and by that way give Carra the chance to stay and play in almost every game, IMO.

I wonder what choice he made?

Gerrard, Carragher and Torres' role in the removal of Rafa was terrible

I will defend Carragher and Gerrard against some of your preposterous attacks / criticisms but not this one

[Darkon]

Much though I hate to bring yet another thread round to this, but....

I do find it somewhat bizarre that so many people seem so entirely prepared to stick the boot in on Gerrard and Carra over the Rafa thing, based almost entirely on rumour and speculation, when so many other players including the likes of Alonso also had their issues with Rafa's man-management style. Rafa was undoubtedly a great tactician and had a special relationship with the fans, however none of us have any actual experience of what it was like being managed by the guy to contradict the obvious conclusion from available evidence that, were there to have been one area Rafa was probably lacking in, it was in maintaining a consistently positive relationship with the playing staff.

Gerrard and particularly Carra have been great servants of the club, and in my mind at least, deserve just a touch more leeway and understanding than some people seem prepared to give them over this issue. Which is ironic considering just how much leeway and understanding the same people can afford to our ex-manager.

Oh, and on topic, Hodgson is a fool.

and you are opening a can here mate

[SB]

I thought it was us fans and the players that were unlucky enough to have to put up with that incompetent old fool ( not you Neil, the other one )

[Neil Young]

[SB]

Nothing wrong with your eyesight is there

[MrMichael]

Gerrard, Carragher and Torres' role in the removal of Rafa was terrible

What about Rafa's role in the removal of Rafa? Crying out loud, anyone would think we were some dominant crushing machine in his last season with a manager loved by all the fans and everyone else at the club, not a team that frequently underperformed with a manager who was really quite isolated, partially at least through his own doing.

I was a big Rafa fan, but some of the revisionist history that passes for fact these days about him is bordering on the ridiculous. If players are unhappy under a manager why shouldn't they express it inhouse... its not their fault if the powers that be at the time choose to act upon it.

and you are opening a can here mate

Yeah I know, I always regret bringing it up for the ****storm it inevitably causes, and for the way it inevitably seems to cast me on one side of the RCDNW/R debate I spent years fighting to avoid on this very site, but someone has to balance some of this stuff just occasionally.

[Glenn Hysen]

What about Rafa's role in the removal of Rafa? Crying out loud, anyone would think we were some dominant crushing machine in his last season with a manager loved by all the fans and everyone else at the club, not a team that frequently underperformed with a manager who was really quite isolated, partially at least through his own doing.

I was a big Rafa fan, but some of the revisionist history that passes for fact these days about him is bordering on the ridiculous. If players are unhappy under a manager why shouldn't they express it inhouse... its not their fault if the powers that be at the time choose to act upon it.



Yeah I know, I always regret bringing it up for the ****storm it inevitably causes, and for the way it inevitably seems to cast me on one side of the RCDNW/R debate I spent years fighting to avoid on this very site, but someone has to balance some of this stuff just occasionally.

Great post.
It's like a sect sometimes regarding Rafa. It feels like more people are talking about him than the club in this place. Or maybe the people who do post more often?

[Roboklopp]

Much though I hate to bring yet another thread round to this, but....

I do find it somewhat bizarre that so many people seem so entirely prepared to stick the boot in on Gerrard and Carra over the Rafa thing, based almost entirely on rumour and speculation, when so many other players including the likes of Alonso also had their issues with Rafa's man-management style. Rafa was undoubtedly a great tactician and had a special relationship with the fans, however none of us have any actual experience of what it was like being managed by the guy to contradict the obvious conclusion from available evidence that, were there to have been one area Rafa was probably lacking in, it was in maintaining a consistently positive relationship with the playing staff.

Gerrard and particularly Carra have been great servants of the club, and in my mind at least, deserve just a touch more leeway and understanding than some people seem prepared to give them over this issue. Which is ironic considering just how much leeway and understanding the same people can afford to our ex-manager.

Oh, and on topic, Hodgson is a fool.

It's not just about Rafa though is it? Saying having "a lot of Spaniards" being such an issue is just ****ing stupid & bordering on racism. It's not even like the Spanish lads-and coaches- we had were substandard is it?

Each time just as I try to forget Carra's alleged involvement in Rafa's dismissal & concentrate on the wider issue of LFc, he comes out with **** like this.

[Fredo]

It's not just about Rafa though is it? Saying having "a lot of Spaniards" being such an issue is just ****ing stupid & bordering on racism. It's not even like the Spanish lads-and coaches- we had were substandard is it?

Each time just as I try to forget Carra's alleged involvement in Rafa's dismissal & concentrate on the wider issue of LFc, he comes out with **** like this.

Don't understand Mr. Michael's rant there.