Liverpool vs Man Utd Post Match gloating

[PTP]

So having watched the highlights again and slept on it - what the **** is the issue with carraghers tackle - it's almost like the mancs are clinging on to that tackle as some sort of reason for losing......

They lost cause they bottled it, got out played from start to finish - end off. The only excuse i'd give them is they had no ferdinand/vidic - any team is going to strugglee when missing it's two main defenders (Kelly/Agger anyone )

Carraghers tackle - it was rash, it was hard and it was mistimed -he's steamed across imo thinking, i'm going to win the ball hard and snap the little cunt whilst im there - he got it wrong, and it looks bad. BUT - I have seen players get sent off for far less.....and I have seen far worse go completley unpunished - it happens week in week out, in football matches up and down the country from the premier league to the sunday leagues. - Nani's reaction to it is why it is kicking up a fuss - that was just ****ing pathetic, a ****ing grown man crying, proper crying his eyes out = jesus wept fella get a grip - and the 'picture' of the cut, yeah it looks like it could be bad but i've had worse looking cuts from falling over on hard astro turf...seriously - i had one cut on my knees, that blood was gushing down my leg and we took a picture of it because it looked like i'd been shot - i was completley fine though and the actual cut was about 1mm deep, and tiny -

The same can be said about the rafael challenge - could have been sent off, could have broke lucas leg, didn't - so deal with it

You just know ferguson is stewing at the moment - he'll be raging, he will want to tell the world that carragher should have been sent off and all would have been different And on top of that, what a ****ing cunt for spitting his dummy out and banning the media - jesus ****ing wept fella you are a ****ing KNIGHT! you ****ing whopper, have some ****ing class and diginity instead of throwing the toys out the pram because a few things have gone against you (especially when you have had even bigger things go your way over the last 10 years)

****ing get in - i'm glad we stuffed them, i'm glad carragher flattened that poncy little showboating pony cunt, i'm glad ferguson has made a proper cunt of himself trying to be clever and not speak to the media, and i'm even more ****ing glad that Luis Suarez plays for Liverpool

[Neil Young]

So having watched the highlights again and slept on it - what the **** is the issue with carraghers tackle - it's almost like the mancs are clinging on to that tackle as some sort of reason for losing......

Well, yeah, of course.

By focusing on the tackle/foul, while somehow supposedly not talking to the media (it's clearly all being done off the record or by publicists), they're whipping up a storm about Carragher and about Dowd's refereeing to avoid questions about how crap they were, how crap Ferguson's selection was, how poor the squad is, etc. Trying to get the focus on to Carragher's challenge doesn't negate the fact they were already 2-0 down at the time.

And it piles more pressure on referees and the FA in future incidents involving United and their title rivals. The story is getting put about (more evidence of United's spin machine) that they feel they haven't been getting refereeing decisions since the Chelsea game (primarily the penalty and the Vidic sending off), conveniently ignoring Rooney's assault on McCarthy and Rafael's lunge at Lucas.

They're tw*ts but they're not stupid.

[PTP]

[PTP]

Well, yeah, of course.

By focusing on the tackle/foul, while somehow supposedly not talking to the media (it's clearly all being done off the record or by publicists), they're whipping up a storm about Carragher and about Dowd's refereeing to avoid questions about how crap they were, how crap Ferguson's selection was, how poor the squad is, etc. Trying to get the focus on to Carragher's challenge doesn't negate the fact they were already 2-0 down at the time.

And it piles more pressure on referees and the FA in future incidents involving United and their title rivals. The story is getting put about (more evidence of United's spin machine) that they feel they haven't been getting refereeing decisions since the Chelsea game (primarily the penalty and the Vidic sending off), conveniently ignoring Rooney's assault on McCarthy and Rafael's lunge at Lucas.

They're tw*ts but they're not stupid.

they are very good at what they do - ferguson in particular, when he comes out with some things you can almost see a look in his eye, that says - i know what i'm saying, i know what i'm doing, i'm pushing you to the limits, what you going to do about it!

Can't take anything away from his achievements - and he proves how good he is by getting ****e players peforming well above their level - but i can't wait for this cunt to leave the game - football will be a much better place once he finally ****s off.

[Neil Young]

[SB]

He should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute .

[Vermilion]

mutv 30% owned by Murdoch. Would be great if he spat HIS dummy out over Ferguscum blanking them.

[ronanm]

Carra's tackle was silly, dirty and deliberate. Was lucky to stay on the pitch. Rafael's was filthy and should have gone too imo. End of. But for the Scum to lecture Liverpool on fair play etc. is a joke given Rooney's elbow.

[Arn]

How is Carra only getting a yellow for what was admittedly, a very poor tackle that should have been a red, and not getting punished afterwards as the ref dealt with it, any different from Wayne Rooney getting away with elbowing people in the face because the ref aopparently dealt with it at the time?



Although I agree it was a bad tackle Arn, that's pretty silly. Did you ever see the likes of Tommy Smith and Graeme Souness play?

I'm actually that old so I have seen them play

If you look at some old games then you simply can't believe how the players could get away with some tackles they made. Should have been one or two broken legs after each game.

The game have of course changed a lot since then. The pitch is better, the players are much better trained etc.

That the players are better trained also means that the players are stronger, quicker and so on than before. That means tougher and stronger tackles than before made by stronger and quicker players.

Every studs up challenge is a red card in my book even if it doesn't hit the player. If you make a studs up challenge then you know that you won't get the ball anyway because you will get penalised for it. Tackles showing the studs has nothing to do with football. I'm happy that they realize that more and more because I want to see the players play and not out injured.

There is a difference between a tough tackle and bad one. The one Carra made wasn't tough, it was very bad. Why did he show the studs? He could easily avoided doing that, EASILY.

My answer would be that it was a mistimed tackle made by a player that simply isn't good enough anymore. This is now a part of his game because it must be it or else he don't have a chance out there.

Defenders that is good enough don't make tackles like that because they are good enough to have other ways dealing with situations.

Carra is now so slow that sometimes tackles like this will happen. Hyypia was slow but he could read the game so excellent that he could compensate it. Carra can't.

That is why we must replace Carra as soon as possible. If we don't, well, then he will get sent off a few times each season simply because he isn't good enough to cope with the pace out there anymore.

[Neil Young]

While Dowd was too lenient for both challenges, in the context of the game it was fine. He was consistent for both teams and the two incidents did not lead to any further bad behaviour (partly, perhaps, due to half-time coming so soon afterwards).

So while he made mistakes he never lost control and was fair to both teams. There are dozens of wrong decisions every season that more clearly affect the outcome of matches than the two from yesterday.

[Slinky Skills]

****ing 50p ed!

That's exactly what I said to my brother's when he flung his header back across the face of the goal the clown!!

[Arn]

While Dowd was too lenient for both challenges, in the context of the game it was fine. He was consistent for both teams and the two incidents did not lead to any further bad behaviour (partly, perhaps, due to half-time coming so soon afterwards).

So while he made mistakes he never lost control and was fair to both teams. There are dozens of wrong decisions every season that more clearly affect the outcome of matches than the two from yesterday.

So you think a ref should compensate a very bad mistake by making another one?

That is why the refereeing in the PL is ****. The referees do it all the time. Compensate a mistake by making another mistake.

Rafael should have walked even if the ref knew he made a mistake the first time. You simply can't compensate a mistake by making another one, you simply can't.

[Neil Young]

It's nice of you to suggest I have that much impact but, given how wrong I am, I suppose it's lucky that I'm just a fan prattling about this stuff on the internet than the person in charge of refereeing standards in this country.

You need to try living in the real world where people are fallible.

Ultimately what's important isn't why people do things, it's what they do. In the case of Phil Dowd, you don't know and I don't know why he did what he did. The most important thing is whether his judgements on the severity of the punishment for both players affected the outcome of the game and I think it didn't. Compare it to the penalty Chelsea got against Man United and it's clearly not as bad a mistake.

[Fosterbloke]

What's a 50p head?

Also I think that KK will highlight Manure's media blackout in a witty manner and take the spotlight off Carragher.

[dww]

While Dowd was too lenient for both challenges, in the context of the game it was fine. He was consistent for both teams and the two incidents did not lead to any further bad behaviour (partly, perhaps, due to half-time coming so soon afterwards).

So while he made mistakes he never lost control and was fair to both teams. There are dozens of wrong decisions every season that more clearly affect the outcome of matches than the two from yesterday.

The Wolves - Spurs game straight afterwards being a prime example. I really do think the referees have it in for Wolves/Mick McCarthy.

I do sort of agree with Arn though that the FA/FIFA/UEFA should look at whether a referee can be allowed to look at the video of violent incidents after the game. Clamping down on those tackles has been a big improvement in the game IMO and continuing the movement in that direction would seem sensible.