Liverpool vs Man Utd Post Match gloating

[kris90210]

They are also extremely useful if you know how to use them.

Agreed. But by the same token, they can be misleading.

Where's the line Matt? For example, you've been citing the stats on chalkboards for ages now when defending Lucas Leiva.

And now, his tackling stats make horrendous reading. Despite that ,most people would agree with me when I say that Lucas was awesome on the weekend.

[dww]

Agreed. But by the same token, they can be misleading.

Where's the line Matt? For example, you've been citing the stats on chalkboards for ages now when defending Lucas Leiva.

And now, his tackling stats make horrendous reading. Despite that ,most people would agree with me when I say that Lucas was awesome on the weekend.

The problem is that many people (to quote Andrew Lang) use "statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than for illumination". The best thing to do is to use them to challenge your assumptions.

The problem is also that people tend to take one figure in isolation. For example Lucas's tackles might have been poor but what about his interceptions? In a lot of ways that has seemed to me to be the basis of the way he plays the DM position.

[dww]

The problem is that many people (to quote Andrew Lang) use "statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than for illumination". The best thing to do is to use them to challenge your assumptions.

The problem is also that people tend to take one figure in isolation. For example Lucas's tackles might have been poor but what about his interceptions? In a lot of ways that has seemed to me to be the basis of the way he plays the DM position.

Even better quote from William W Watt:
"Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say."

[banditos]

The problem is that many people (to quote Andrew Lang) use "statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than for illumination". The best thing to do is to use them to challenge your assumptions.

The problem is also that people tend to take one figure in isolation. For example Lucas's tackles might have been poor but what about his interceptions? In a lot of ways that has seemed to me to be the basis of the way he plays the DM position.

Awesome quote. Might have to use that from time to time.

[Mattshark]

Agreed. But by the same token, they can be misleading.

Where's the line Matt? For example, you've been citing the stats on chalkboards for ages now when defending Lucas Leiva.

And now, his tackling stats make horrendous reading. Despite that ,most people would agree with me when I say that Lucas was awesome on the weekend.

I was citing pass completion rates and fouls both of which are a little clearer.

With something like the tackling stats, it would good to know what happened after the tackle.

[Pablo]

Also Lucas has very nice hair.

[Roboklopp]

Noone has really mentioned it yet but I wouldn't mind making a shout out to Maxi for this performance in the game. In this type of game its so so important to have the kind of players to keep the game ticking alone, making runs off the ball to create space and just generally moving the ball on quickly rather then dwelling on it while your team is on the front foot. His late runs in midfield caused so many problems and he seemed to keep Rafael well back in their own half for the majority of the game.

Exactly what we need from him, he doesn't have to be a star he just has to do his job and make sure he creates the space for the big stars and keep the ball moving quickly.

Aye. As I said elsewhere, there's still a place for him and Kuyt in the squad next season, even if we bring in others ahead if them.

[RedReet]

The problem is that many people (to quote Andrew Lang) use "statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than for illumination". The best thing to do is to use them to challenge your assumptions.

The problem is also that people tend to take one figure in isolation. For example Lucas's tackles might have been poor but what about his interceptions? In a lot of ways that has seemed to me to be the basis of the way he plays the DM position.

That's the thing, they weren't though. A couple of them he actually won and the others you wouldn't fault him for. Some weren't even tackles, he just moved towards the player on the ball.

[Neil Young]

The problem is that many people (to quote Andrew Lang) use "statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than for illumination". The best thing to do is to use them to challenge your assumptions.

The same can be said of all sorts of evidence and arguments.

[Fredo]

You don't need statistics to state that Lucas is a good player. I wonder if Shankly or Paisley used them at all, or he was more relying on his ability to spot a good player.

[Vermilion]

Good 20min Highlights of the game here..

http://www.footytube.com/video/liverpool-manchester-united-mar06-75464

A bloody good watch it is too....

Seeing Carroll strutting about the field there is superb, we're beginning to look like a hard team again, like the Liverpools of old, a mix of guile and diamond hard grit and spirit, we're building a nice little team here, obviously need more class in certain areas as we all know, but very very soon....we'll be the scurge of this league...sides will hate....absolutely hate! playing us.

[Rowan]

Also Lucas has very nice hair.

I think he's had the GHDs out. Either that or he's been to one of those Chinese places where you can have a semi permanent straightening job that lasts 6 months or so.

Whichever it is he's definitely lost that natural kink he used to sport.

[dww]

You don't need statistics to state that Lucas is a good player. I wonder if Shankly or Paisley used them at all, or he was more relying on his ability to spot a good player.

Surely things have changed in many ways since then though. Look at Wenger - he is very keep on stats and player performance monitoring. It can tell you things that you don't pick up by eye. Just because one can (to some degree) do something without statistics doesn't mean you can't do it better with them (or with greater specificity) with them.

[Mostar]

Visual monitoring of the performance and use of stats to support physical evidence go hand-in-hand and the sole reliance on either only leads to incomplete and incorrect conclusions.

[Maxiedge]

**** stats