West Brom vs Liverpool: Match Thread

[Neil Young]

And they could also be ruined by being thrust into first team action too soon.

The thing is it's easy for any of us to say so-and-so would be a better choice. It's really a question of whether you trust the manager to make the right decision often enough.

So you've got to ask yourself, do you trust Dalglish's judgement or not?

[RichC]

And they could also be ruined by being thrust into first team action too soon.

[Fernandinho]

10 minutes here and there? I don't think that is being over thrusted... They don't all have to be there at once. But for every game maybe 2 or 3 of the subs spots should always be taken by youngsters, eg one defender one attacker and one midfielder. That would be including Wilson and sterling but.

[Neil Young]

I realise you don't think that but I don't know why you're more likely to be right than Dalglish.

That doesn't mean I think he's immune from mistakes or criticism - just that it's easy to have too much faith in one's own, untestable opinions.

[Mattshark]

God we were ****... Lack of width pace and creativity... Same old same old

I thought it was a lack of control in midfield and too many long ball resulting in that, we need a ball player in the middle alongside Lucas, rather than having Spearing running around looking busy, but not actually doing anything.

[Arn]

And they could also be ruined by being thrust into first team action too soon.

The thing is it's easy for any of us to say so-and-so would be a better choice. It's really a question of whether you trust the manager to make the right decision often enough.

So you've got to ask yourself, do you trust Dalglish's judgement or not?

That is simply rubbish. What they need is to play with better players. Even if they don't deliver then if they have the right mentality then they should take is as a step in the right direction.

Almost every great player through the history of football got a chance very very early and developed into great players thanks to that they played with better players and got the right mentality. Some of them didn't deliver straight away but they got playing time.

They didn't play almost anything for a reserve team. Playing for a reserve team more or less offers nothing when it comes down to progress if the player is very good.

Either you play them in the PL or loan them out. Great talents should simply never play for the reserve team if they don't need games on the way back from an injury.

[Reece]

I realise you don't think that but I don't know why you're more likely to be right than Dalglish.

That doesn't mean I think he's immune from mistakes or criticism - just that it's easy to have too much faith in one's own, untestable opinions.

As if anyone on here does that

[Fernandinho]

I realise you don't think that but I don't know why you're more likely to be right than Dalglish.

That doesn't mean I think he's immune from mistakes or criticism - just that it's easy to have too much faith in one's own, untestable opinions.

You many not realise that I am only raising a possibility and not creating a single opinion on the matter

[Mattshark]

Well first of all if you don't know what 'look to create space or move into space' means... fair enough.

But with regard to it, yes every footballer should be doing it. Watching our lot for the last almost 3 seasons though there has definitely been a lack of it, they are like statues on the pitch. They don't move they just want the ball to come to them and when it does, there is invariably several opposition players around them.

As for being deluded, I can safely say I am not one of them. I believe we need quite a big overhaul but I also think we do not need 'players of the moment' for every position, we need a group of players who can play as a team which is why I won't shout down players like N'Zogbia, Cahill and Baines.

But how will bringing in players who are not good enough help? Especially as one of them has a reputation for causing trouble.

[RichC]

I thought it was a lack of control in midfield and too many long ball resulting in that, we need a ball player in the middle alongside Lucas, rather than having Spearing running around looking busy, but not actually doing anything.

we're screaming out for some creativity in the side someone in the centre to pick a pass and control things.

Lucas does his job well but as you said we really need someone with him to offer that little spark - just don't have it at all at the moment .

[Neil Young]

That is simply rubbish. What they need is to play with better players. Even if they don't deliver then if they have the right mentality then they should take is as a step in the right direction.

Almost every great player through the history of football got a chance very very early and developed into great players thanks to that they played with better players and got the right mentality. Some of them didn't deliver straight away but they got playing time.

They didn't play almost anything for a reserve team. Playing for a reserve team more or less offers nothing when it comes down to progress if the player is very good.

Either you play them in the PL or loan them out. Great talents should simply never play for the reserve team if they don't need games on the way back from an injury.

Fernandinho, see what I mean?

Arn, you're obviously an intelligent guy who thinks a lot about football but you're also full of ****.

As if anyone on here does that

[Arn]

So, how much will players like Sterling and Suso develop thanks to reserve team football compared to being loaned out or play with the first team?

I would say that they will develop almost nothing playing reserve team football. Very few games and not good enough teams in the reserve team league.

They are already past that level thanks to that they are very special talents.

The next step isn't reserve team football. It is either playing for the first team in the PL or loaned out to another club in the PL.

[Neil Young]

Clearly Dalglish disagrees, at least for now. So, who should I believe is more likely to be right, you or him?

[RichC]

At the age of 17 reserve team football is a must! Playing against men week in week out on loan somewhere isn't going to help their development at this stage of their careers.

Getting some time on the pitch when we can get them on would be great but what you're suggesting is just plain daft.

Did you actually ever play football? When I was that age playing against men in their late twenties early thirties it was no fun I can tell you

[Arn]

At the age of 17 reserve team football is a must! Playing against men week in week out on loan somewhere isn't going to help their development at this stage of their careers.

Getting some time on the pitch when we can get them on would be great but what you're suggesting is just plain daft.

Did you actually ever play football? When I was that age playing against men in their late twenties early thirties it was no fun I can tell you

My way is the Spanish way. Your way is the English way.

The main reason to why Spain and Germany are miles ahead of England developing players is because the young players play against men week in week out for the B teams instead of a reserve league.

They play much tougher games week in week out.