Jon Flanagan

[RedReet]

I’m a big admirer of John because he has just kept persevering. It has been remarkable really, that we haven’t had any clubs come in for him to take him on loan.

We would always facilitate his wages. We only had one club come in for him, a League One club.

I had to keep him back because I thought I was going to have to play him at Arsenal. He is a young player that needs to play.

[The Birdman]

"It's been remarkable, really, that we haven't had any clubs come in to take him on loan. We will always facilitate the wages, but we have had just one club come in for him, and that was a League One club. He's a young player that needs to play.

from http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...h-jon-flanagan

"We spoke a number of times about him going out on loan but no one came in for him on loan"
from http://www.theguardian.com/football/...rpool-contract

Also says Flanagan would be offered a new deal in the summer which I think he was, the injury happened during the negotiations and now I'd say he's in a much weaker bargaining position.

[Lecter]

I'm saying that when Rodgers was discussing it, he mentioned that LFC will be paying the wages so he couldn't understand why no clubs were interested in him.

Ah right

"It's been remarkable, really, that we haven't had any clubs come in to take him on loan. We will always facilitate the wages, but we have had just one club come in for him, and that was a League One club. He's a young player that needs to play.

"There have been a couple of enquiries about him, but nothing concrete. I just felt that I needed to have him about, and in the end I needed him to play in the Arsenal game.

It depends what your definition of facilitate wages is.

[RedReet]

But that contradicts what you say surely?

[The Birdman]

It looks as though we were prepared to loan Flanagan out and were prepared to facilitate his wages (to use the exact quote) and still only one League 1 club enquired about him.

Loads of PL clubs would take him now especially on a free but none of them are better than lfc.

[Lecter]

But that contradicts what you say surely?

It doesnt really contradict what he says

It depends on the definition of "facilitates"

To me this reads as the club will pay part of his wages in order to get him a loan deal, but even with part of his wages paid he could be considered too expensive

[RedReet]

It looks as though we were prepared to loan Flanagan out and were prepared to facilitate his wages (to use the exact quote) and still only one League 1 club enquired about him.

Loads of PL clubs would take him now especially on a free but none of them are better than lfc.

Yes, but is the point that no clubs were interested because they thought he was crap, but you are suggesting that they weren't interested because his wages were too high.

If the club were 'facilitating' his wages, whatever way you interpret it, why would his wages have deterred other clubs?

I'm not doubing your source BTW, I'm genuinely trying to get me head around it, as it doesn't make sense to me.

[RedReet]

It doesnt really contradict what he says

It depends on the definition of "facilitates"

To me this reads as the club will pay part of his wages in order to get him a loan deal, but even with part of his wages paid he could be considered too expensive

Sorry, was replying yours and got lost in the process.

I can accept that interpretation, but why would it have put off other clubs from enquiring. If the club were willing to pay any part of his wages, surely they could at least enquire and see how much the club were willing to pay.

[Lecter]

Regardless of the past I would question whether using the "local boy" angle significantly adds value to the deal

I think sometimes agents always look for more out of the deals than there is, its the agents more than anything that over-complicate these transactions

I think if what Birdman says is true then we have offered a reasonable deal it gives him the same basic wage with the added benefit of him being giving additional rewards for his performances / first team involvement

If Flannagan feels he can get better elsewhere then good luck to the lad

[Lecter]

Sorry, was replying yours and got lost in the process.

I can accept that interpretation, but why would it have put off other clubs from enquiring. If the club were willing to pay any part of his wages, surely they could at least enquire and see how much the club were willing to pay.

The agents will shop the deals round, all the clubs will be alerted as to who is available and what sort of financial outlay it would involve

If its within ballpark they will talk with the club and try and discuss a compromise, if it isnt they wont even bother talking

[The Birdman]

Yes, but is the point that no clubs were interested because they thought he was crap, but you are suggesting that they weren't interested because his wages were too high.

If the club were 'facilitating' his wages, whatever way you interpret it, why would his wages have deterred other clubs?

I'm not doubing your source BTW, I'm genuinely trying to get me head around it, as it doesn't make sense to me.

It's 2 separate things, I'm passing on what I was told with regards to his contract.

The other stuff is my opinion based on the quotes we have all read, 2 years into a contract only one League 1 club offered to take Flanagan on loan, that might be because of his wages, might be because no-one rated him highly enough regardless of his wage

Probably a bit of both.

I've posted before he's played 42 games in 4 years as a pro, 25 of which were in the 2nd half of last season.
In my opinion he's in no position to be demanding stupidly high wages and if wages weren't the problem why hasn't the contract been agreed?

As a comparison Wisdom is younger and has played double the amount of games with 85

[RedReet]

The agents will shop the deals round, all the clubs will be alerted as to who is available and what sort of financial outlay it would involve

If its within ballpark they will talk with the club and try and discuss a compromise, if it isnt they wont even bother talking

But surely we wouldn't have had a set price for every club. If we wanted to send him out on loan for experience, surely we wouldn't be expecting a L1 side to contribute the same as a well off Championship team. Also, if his wages were that high, how could a L1 side afford it, but nobody else could?

Why also does Rodgers even mention it? If we couldn't send him on loan because of his wages, surely he would know this and know why teams weren't interested. I also imagine that the club would be willing to lower wage demands if there was little interest, as it's in their best interest to get him out on loan somewhere.

As I said, it just doesn't make sense to me.

[Lecter]

But surely we wouldn't have had a set price for every club. If we wanted to send him out on loan for experience, surely we wouldn't be expecting a L1 side to contribute the same as a well off Championship team. Also, if his wages were that high, how could a L1 side afford it, but nobody else could?

Why also does Rodgers even mention it? If we couldn't send him on loan because of his wages, surely he would know this and know why teams weren't interested. I also imagine that the club would be willing to lower wage demands if there was little interest, as it's in their best interest to get him out on loan somewhere.

As I said, it just doesn't make sense to me.

They probably would have the same conditions because they would probably want to discourage the lower league clubs

They will have agreed with Flanagan the level they would be prepared to loan him to and at what terms. If a lower league club matched those terms then he would be given that option to join them

The club is not a charity its only going to do what is in its best interests of the club firstly, then the player.

They are only going to do deal with teams that would benefit Flanagan from going there, they arent going to just give him to any team, pay all of his wages if its not going to aid his development

[RedReet]

It's 2 separate things, I'm passing on what I was told with regards to his contract.

The other stuff is my opinion based on the quotes we have all read, 2 years into a contract only one League 1 club offered to take Flanagan on loan, that might be because of his wages, might be because no-one rated him highly enough regardless of his wage

Probably a bit of both.

I've posted before he's played 42 games in 4 years as a pro, 25 of which were in the 2nd half of last season.
In my opinion he's in no position to be demanding stupidly high wages and if wages weren't the problem why hasn't the contract been agreed?

As a comparison Wisdom is younger and has played double the amount of games with 85

I’m fine with all that, as I said the only point I had issue with is the loan situation as I’m still not convinced that clubs were put off by his wage demands.

They probably would have the same conditions because they would probably want to discourage the lower league clubs

They will have agreed with Flanagan the level they would be prepared to loan him to and at what terms. If a lower league club matched those terms then he would be given that option to join them

The club is not a charity its only going to do what is in its best interests of the club firstly, then the player.

They are only going to do deal with teams that would benefit Flanagan from going there, they arent going to just give him to any team, pay all of his wages if its not going to aid his development

Well this is all assumptions and conjecture and neither of us are going to convince the other person otherwise.

I could argue that it was in the clubs best interest to get him out on loan, even paying his full wages, but it still won’t prove anything and neither of us know the exact details.

[Daffy Duck]

He needs another knee surgery and will be out for ever.