Who Wants To Say Sorry?

[BrooklynRed]

until we win smth, some fans will be in doubt, that's for sure

Agree... but they are putting us in position to win... not a foot wrong. Up to Kenny, Clarke and management to target, sell and spend what is available and then get it right on the pitch. If FSG doesn't spend well beyond sales in the summer, I'll be pissed again. They seem to understand what is required though. Again, all signs point to a revival and the owners deserve credit; January has transformed the club, IMO. Credit where it is due.

[BrooklynRed]

Didn't mean that as seriously as it probably came across

I think a lot of it was just finding an easy label for them, so yanks it was, not really meant as an anti USA thing. Now if you could just stop saying "awesome" all the time and shouting "get in the hole" at the golf, all will be well.

Don't take it to heart or send the seals in

Dude, the Seals are awesome.

[warrenpeace]

Dude, the Seals are awesome.

I surren.... BANG

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No they didn't spend 50m, their outlay was 3m max.

Of course they spent £50m - they could have sold him, kept the money and offset it against their investment into the club.

[Craig_H]

Agree... but they are putting us in position to win... not a foot wrong. Up to Kenny, Clarke and management to target, sell and spend what is available and then get it right on the pitch. If FSG doesn't spend well beyond sales in the summer, I'll be pissed again. They seem to understand what is required though. Again, all signs point to a revival and the owners deserve credit; January has transformed the club, IMO. Credit where it is due.

Sorry mate, but whilst they've done mostly the right things, dont give me 'not a foot wrong' because keeping Hodgson til January has cost us CL football, and it's not 'hindsight' because plenty of us were saying it would cost us CL football back then too.

I like what FSG are doing and i'm happy that we've got them, but dont claim they've not put a foot wrong and been perfect, because there's been at least one costly mistake. Credit where it's due of course, but also critique where it's due, regarding the Hodgson fiasco.

[elrichio86]

No they didn't spend 50m, their outlay was 3m max.

Of course they spent £50m - they could have sold him, kept the money and offset it against their investment into the club.

We've not had a net spend argument for a while

[BrooklynRed]

Sorry mate, but whilst they've done mostly the right things, dont give me 'not a foot wrong' because keeping Hodgson til January has cost us CL football, and it's not 'hindsight' because plenty of us were saying it would cost us CL football back then too.

I like what FSG are doing and i'm happy that we've got them, but dont claim they've not put a foot wrong and been perfect, because there's been at least one costly mistake. Credit where it's due of course, but also critique where it's due, regarding the Hodgson fiasco.

I think, in hindsight, they took too long, but they said they would give him time when they came in. They had to build the management and strategy from the ground up; the club was an absolute disaster. Purslow gets the blame for Roy IMO: Kenny should have been the hire all along. They gave Roy a chance, which was a mistake, but not knowing the club inside out, I think, in the long term, taking their time and figuring out the long term solution was the right thing to do. Did anyone imagine Kenny would revive us this way? Hindsight is 20/20, but the blame for Roy goes to Purslow, G&H IMO. Its not like FSG didnt want the team (and money) in the CL... we all wanted Roy out, but I respect them for taking the time to get the lay of the land before acting decisively.

[BrooklynRed]

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[Craig_H]

You agree it was a mistake to keep Hodgson on as long as they did then.

And as i said, dont point to hindsight, because lots of us were saying it right then, so it's not hindsight. Getting the lay of the land is fine, but ultimately, it's cost us the CL place.

It was one costly mistake, made in the best intentions, and it's not something i hold against them. At the same time though, i dont pretend they never made a mistake and 'never put a foot wrong' either.

[BrooklynRed]

You agree it was a mistake to keep Hodgson on as long as they did then.

And as i said, dont point to hindsight, because lots of us were saying it right then, so it's not hindsight. Getting the lay of the land is fine, but ultimately, it's cost us the CL place.

It was one costly mistake, made in the best intentions, and it's not something i hold against them. At the same time though, i dont pretend they never made a mistake and 'never put a foot wrong' either.

I think that is an unfair assessment. Yes, we all wanted rid of Roy. Did it cost us the CL to wait to get rid? I don't know. Yes, we had a revival under Kenny, but we also would have had an out of form Torres during that time, an injured Gerrard, no Suarez, etc. Things take time; saying everyone wanted rid of Roy and look how well Kenny has done since January is not the same as winning matches and knowing for sure we would have pipped City for 4th. You can say it cost us the place and say it was a mistake, but in the grand scheme of things, that a) may not be true and b) may have set us up for the revival and long term success for years to come. So, I understand you're certain, but I am not. They got rid of Roy and Torres, both the right decision. If they waited too long on Roy, I can't say it was the factor that cost us the CL place and maybe, just maybe, waiting set Kenny up with the tools he needed to shine.

[Craig_H]

I think it's entirely fair to say that keeping Roy so long, was an error. An out of form Torres managed to score goals under Kenny and much of the time since Kenny's been back, Gerrard's been injured anyway, yet we've done very well.

I think most people would agree that a Kenny-led LFC would've stood more chance of beating Wolves at Anfield and getting wins at Stoke, Wigan, Newcastle and Blackburn, than Hodgson did. That's a no-brainer, i'd say.

Clearly keeping Hodgson cost us any chance of getting into the top four, and was a costly error. You obviously disagree, and i'd expect you to, given the circumstances.

I would expect you to keep the view that FSG are perfect and never put a foot wrong, come what may. Each to their own. If one of your strongest arguments against what i've said about us probably getting 4th place if Kenny had come in sooner is that it 'may not be true', then i'll live with that

[Gingawaria]

Has Pepe re-signed? When did that happen?

I'd like to know the answer to this too, I hadn't heard anything about it?

[Rowan]

I think most people would agree that a Kenny-led LFC would've stood more chance of beating Wolves at Anfield and getting wins at Stoke, Wigan, Newcastle and Blackburn, than Hodgson did. That's a no-brainer, i'd say.

Clearly keeping Hodgson cost us any chance of getting into the top four, and was a costly error. You obviously disagree, and i'd expect you to, given the circumstances.

I would expect you to keep the view that FSG are perfect and never put a foot wrong, come what may. Each to their own.

I've said this to you before but I think any reasonable individuals would have thought it reasonable for a Craig H led team to get a result against Wolves at Anfield and Wigan away.

I don't really hold them responsible for the Roy fiasco. They came, they saw they learnt a bit and eventually sacked him. The real crime was putting him in the post in the first place.

[CJ]

dont try to get craig to admit he wasnt 100% right about something. Might as well try to get Palin to spout some sense.

its understandable that people are dubious and to keep the present owners honest is good. However they have been honest so far no promises to break and run us in a sensible manner.

one thing though people say google h&g and you have all the evidence you need on how crap they are, well google our new owners and there is positive evidence. So why is bad stuff on google worth forming an opinion on but the good evidence our FSG not worth basing your opinion on?

[Craig_H]

I've said this to you before but I think any reasonable individuals would have thought it reasonable for a Craig H led team to get a result against Wolves at Anfield and Wigan away.

I don't really hold them responsible for the Roy fiasco. They came, they saw they learnt a bit and eventually sacked him. The real crime was putting him in the post in the first place.

I wouldnt say i 'blame' them for it, but it was a mistake. Not one that i'd use to 'hang them out to dry' or anything.

But put it this way, if John Henry had his time again, knowing what he does now about Roy and Kenny, do you think he'd wait until January to make the change? I think if he had his time again, he would do it sooner. And the point is, whilst he didnt know what he does now about Roy and Kenny, the fans did and made the point early on.