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    #16
    Originally posted by Arn View Post

    He gave away the match thanks to mistakes like that. KK should get massive criticism thanks to mistakes like that.
    Massive criticism for losing one football match?

    If only he was the Inter manager, he could blame Stankovic, Milito, Moratti or someone.

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      #17
      Shelvey doesn't **** about

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        #18
        Originally posted by Arn View Post
        King Kenny got it totally wrong today. Kuyt out wide in a straight 4-4-2 Spearing as one of two central midfielders in a straight 4-4-2 Maxi out out wide in a straight 4-4-2

        He gave away the match thanks to mistakes like that. KK should get massive criticism thanks to mistakes like that.

        Today also showed how important Meireles is for 4-4-2 to work. Without him helping out in the middle Spearing look totally out of his depth.
        I agree about the 442, about Spearing, Kuyt and Maxi. Also agree no Meireles - and losing the extra man in the middle - was a problem for us today. The 4-3-3 at Fulham worked brilliantly and I don't think he should've changed it.

        However..."KK should get massive criticism thanks to mistakes like that" is miles over the top.
        Last edited by Shaggy; 15-05-11, 06:14 PM.
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          #19
          Originally posted by Arn View Post
          King Kenny got it totally wrong today. Kuyt out wide in a straight 4-4-2 Spearing as one of two central midfielders in a straight 4-4-2 Maxi out out wide in a straight 4-4-2

          He gave away the match thanks to mistakes like that. KK should get massive criticism thanks to mistakes like that.

          Today also showed how important Meireles is for 4-4-2 to work. Without him helping out in the middle Spearing look totally out of his depth.
          meireles is **** so there's no point even going there pal.
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            #20
            Deflated after we've played such compelling footy lately. Spurs worthy winners even when you consider the pisstake of a penalty decision.

            It's easy to point the finger at Carroll's inclusion but with Meireles out we always were going to change the team. I think what today has shown is that Lucas/Spearing as a partnership needs lots of movement ahead of them to be truly effective, which just didn't happen at all today. And because of Carroll being on the pitch we all too often just lumped it.

            Suarez and Flanagan were easily the stand out performers today, Lucas was solid but didn't get his passes going, and Carragher, Johnson, and Skrtel didn't do much wrong at the back (other than the lumping). The rest of them weren't really at the races.

            The emergence of Flanagan, coupled to Kelly's incredibly bright start to his 1st team career would make me seriously consider flogging Johnson in the summer.

            The lad's improved defensively no end under Kenny and Clarke but he's on massive wages and quite honestly I think Kelly and Flanagan can happily fight it out for the right back position.
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              #21
              Carroll shouldn't have started today and should have been left out until next season. His presence today turned u into a long ball team. With wide players he will be great but it pisses me off watching Carra just hit it long to Carroll.

              We should have hamered them today but poor selection let us down. KK got it wrong today but **** it hes done everything right since he got his foot in the door.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Rich View Post

                The emergence of Flanagan, coupled to Kelly's incredibly bright start to his 1st team career would make me seriously consider flogging Johnson in the summer.

                The lad's improved defensively no end under Kenny and Clarke but he's on massive wages and quite honestly I think Kelly and Flanagan can happily fight it out for the right back position.
                Wow I think that's insane. Johnson's a good player and I wouldn't want to rely on two rookies. Having the three of them is ideal.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Chris View Post
                  Massive criticism for losing one football match?

                  If only he was the Inter manager, he could blame Stankovic, Milito, Moratti or someone.


                  You do know that it is allowed to criticise KK? When he make mistake then it is allowed to criticise him, you do know that?
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by el matador View Post
                    meireles is **** so there's no point even going there pal.
                    Unbelievable people are saying this. He's a classy player. You need players like him who keep moving all the time and pulls defenders/midfielders out of position.

                    How many times did he arrive in the box unnoticed?

                    Just coz he doesn't fancy a good old english tackle doesn't mean he's ****. There's a lot more to his game than just a poor tackle.
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Arn View Post


                      You do know that it is allowed to criticise KK? When he make mistake then it is allowed to criticise him, you do know that?
                      Of course.

                      I think its utterly idiotic to suggest someone should get "massive criticism" for losing one football match though. Especially when you defended defeat after defeat of another manager.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
                        Wow I think that's insane. Johnson's a good player and I wouldn't want to rely on two rookies. Having the three of them is ideal.
                        Agree I'd retain Glen for one FB position and use Flanno/Kelly/Robinson for the other and for rotation.

                        Absolutely no need to sell him.
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                          #27
                          yup Spurs back 4 played very well today, a fit Ledley King able to play week in week out would help them no end, shame that'll never happen.

                          I don't think we should be getting too dispondant or concerned with todays performance, it was pretty poor granted but hopefully it'll serve as reminder to both us as fans and the management team and board there is quite a bit of work to do in the summer.

                          Carroll for me shouldn't have started but mainly as I think he's not 100% fit and we were in a rich vein of form - next season I really think we'll see the best of him and with the right signings in the summer and Kenny having a full pre-season to get us playing how he wants I think we'll be pushing for honours I really do!

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by el matador View Post
                            you have to give spurs some credit because they were very good defensively and very good in posession of the ball. The standards set by modric and sandro were very high and with a high tempo they just played around lucas and spearing (who was pretty poor today)

                            Our midfield two just werent a match for modric and sandro (who looked very good too), and maxi did his best impression of trying to play a football match but failing miserably.

                            You know what you get from dirk - 100% graft and the occasional bit of craft and today his craft wasnt there, suarez tried and was a constant threat until the last 20 mins by which time he knew the game was up.

                            The carroll thing does worry me because i wonder why sign him if we dont play to his strengths. His movement is poor but frankly you expect it to be and this so called partnership with suarez hasnt started yet. honestly, carroll was more of a hinderance today than a help.

                            It shows that our squad does need adding to, priorities should be central midfield (gerrard plus one), wide because maxi never once turned and ran at his man, all day he took the ball with his back towards their goal looking to lay it off quick. Dirk tried his best but had no joy.

                            spurs deserved it and we have to accept it. they're a better team.
                            We clearly watched the same match... Carroll needs players coming into the box, onto his knockdowns, teeing him up, from much closer range. That said, he'll be fine; we needed to start three in the middle. Suarez is not a poacher, he is a creator and they both need a Gerrard or Meireles bombing into the box; look at Maxi's form coming in, all based on us having three in the middle and Suarez and Kuyt being free to attack. Also, it helps you attack when the other side is pressing to score; you don't get 5 goals playing from 1-0 down.

                            Anywho, bad luck today and missing an attacking spine in the middle. We'll be fine.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Rich View Post
                              Deflated after we've played such compelling footy lately. Spurs worthy winners even when you consider the pisstake of a penalty decision.

                              It's easy to point the finger at Carroll's inclusion but with Meireles out we always were going to change the team. I think what today has shown is that Lucas/Spearing as a partnership needs lots of movement ahead of them to be truly effective, which just didn't happen at all today. And because of Carroll being on the pitch we all too often just lumped it.

                              Suarez and Flanagan were easily the stand out performers today, Lucas was solid but didn't get his passes going, and Carragher, Johnson, and Skrtel didn't do much wrong at the back (other than the lumping). The rest of them weren't really at the races.

                              The emergence of Flanagan, coupled to Kelly's incredibly bright start to his 1st team career would make me seriously consider flogging Johnson in the summer.

                              The lad's improved defensively no end under Kenny and Clarke but he's on massive wages and quite honestly I think Kelly and Flanagan can happily fight it out for the right back position.



                              get a decent fee for Johnson, say £10m and we'll be laughing.

                              Flanagan and Kelly can play either side, and we'll defo be bringing in a top left back so we're sorted there.

                              It breaks my heart seeing Johnson in a Liverpool shirt.
                              Last edited by Rudo; 15-05-11, 06:19 PM.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Rich View Post
                                Deflated after we've played such compelling footy lately. Spurs worthy winners even when you consider the pisstake of a penalty decision.

                                It's easy to point the finger at Carroll's inclusion but with Meireles out we always were going to change the team. I think what today has shown is that Lucas/Spearing as a partnership needs lots of movement ahead of them to be truly effective, which just didn't happen at all today. And because of Carroll being on the pitch we all too often just lumped it.

                                Suarez and Flanagan were easily the stand out performers today, Lucas was solid but didn't get his passes going, and Carragher, Johnson, and Skrtel didn't do much wrong at the back (other than the lumping). The rest of them weren't really at the races.

                                The emergence of Flanagan, coupled to Kelly's incredibly bright start to his 1st team career would make me seriously consider flogging Johnson in the summer.

                                The lad's improved defensively no end under Kenny and Clarke but he's on massive wages and quite honestly I think Kelly and Flanagan can happily fight it out for the right back position.
                                We really didn't need to do that. Replace Meireles with Shelvey and keep the rest of starting XI and the same system as we played in our last games.
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