How does Comolli's role differ from that of a chief scout?

[CJ]

i know that he is supposed to be more than a chief scout but is it?

has or will Kenny force a slight alteration in his role?

i also get that he is there so that if we change managers we have a unified approach to player recruitment

what i find difficult is that the manager supposedly has the final say so does this not mean that we can possibly end up without the benefit of continuity that Comolli is supposed to bring.

anyway feel free to educate me

[CJ]

oh i know how its supposed to differ i am more interested in how it is actually differing

[cream]

Comolli is head of the footballing side of things.

[CJ]

i know he is supposed to be but he isnt really is he. its more of a partnership with Kenny or does Kenny actually report to him?

[cream]

i know he is supposed to be but he isnt really is he. its more of a partnership with Kenny or does Kenny actually report to him?

Kenny reports to him.

[CJ]

ah right i thought he didnt.

but if kenny has the final say on players how does comolli ensure that we have continuity

[DannyMan2006]

Comolli sets out the type of players we are looking at.

Kenny looks at the profile and tells him what player he wants. Or, more often than not, Comolli will take the reports of scouts and give Kenny a slection of players for the position he is looking for.

For instances. DC says we will only be signing young players with potential. Kenny says he wants a Defensive Mid and he wants one that do this, that, and whatever. DC tells the scouts what Kenny wants. The scouts come back with players they think suit LFC and give DC the names.

DC has a look through and then gives Kenny the suitbale targets. They then both go out and watch the players they have in mind, maybe in some instances DC will take a viewing himself before Kenny.

Kenny decides on a player and gives DC the name. DC might prefer another one, but he does agree with the player Kenny is signing as he gave Kenny that name on a list.

Player is bidded for. If the other club come back with a valuation that we are not too sure on, we may then turn to a player that is Kennys second choice and put a bid in for him. If that is unrealistic, we may go for a player that is 3rd choice, or even go back to the first choice target and decide to up are original offer since are other choices were not significantly cheaper enough to make them worthwhile.

Etc.

[CJ]

ok what if kenny and comolli have a big difference in views as to what is required?

what happens then?

[little dave hedgehog]

i think the bottom line is that kenny is under no obligation to play anybody so it's not worth the effort or money to sign someone he doesn't want for the team. there's enough talent in the world surely to satisfy both men, who by all accounts have similar ideas about the playing identity of the club.

[CJ]

ok so they have similar ideas thats good as it wouldnt work

comolli is in charge but kenny says what he wants an comolli has to get it and make sure it fits in with the ethos of the club?

my worry was that comolli was supposedly looking at bodge targets so that doesnt fit,

in terms of day to day activity what does he do that a chief scout doesnt?

[DannyMan2006]

ok what if kenny and comolli have a big difference in views as to what is required?

what happens then?

There is no issue nor will there ever be. Both have the same vision that young players are what should be targeted. That's one of the reasons Kenny got the job. They share the same vision for the club and see the same future.

And never in a month of sundays will a club be signed by a top side just by having a look at him. They go into incredible background searches etc. If a player wasn't agreed on by both it would never get of the ground.

FWIW my opinion is that Kenny will never have a player signed that he doesn't want. But I think he will like every manager miss out on the odd player that he does want.

[CJ]

There is no issue nor will there ever be. Both have the same vision that young players are what should be targeted. That's one of the reasons Kenny got the job. They share the same vision for the club and see the same future.

And never in a month of sundays will a club be signed by a top side just by having a look at him. They go into incredible background searches etc. If a player wasn't agreed on by both it would never get of the ground.

FWIW my opinion is that Kenny will never have a player signed that he doesn't want. But I think he will like every manager miss out on the odd player that he does want.

im not sure you can say there never will be an issue. i am not saying players are not researched

[DannyMan2006]

ok so they have similar ideas thats good as it wouldnt work

comolli is in charge but kenny says what he wants an comolli has to get it and make sure it fits in with the ethos of the club?

my worry was that comolli was supposedly looking at bodge targets so that doesnt fit,

in terms of day to day activity what does he do that a chief scout doesnt?

If you search LFC official articles you'll find interviews with DC where he gives better answers than I can remember. But a chief scout just sorts through players wanted by a manager, he doesn't set the profile of player that is required, as DC does. DC also recruits players of every age level, and ensures that all managers at all levels are of the same mind.

This way, every player that comes through the system will suit the style and system used by the next team up. They wont always be good enough, but they'll know how it goes.

[CJ]

If you search LFC official articles you'll find interviews with DC where he gives better answers than I can remember. But a chief scout just sorts through players wanted by a manager, he doesn't set the profile of player that is required, as DC does. DC also recruits players of every age level, and ensures that all managers at all levels are of the same mind.

This way, every player that comes through the system will suit the style and system used by the next team up. They wont always be good enough, but they'll know how it goes.

ok we get back to my question what good is choosing the profile of player if the manager can keep saying no.

what i am trying to do is to understand how this set up works and not just in the good times. remember the players we were linked with under comolli and roy they were definately not good enough so not sure that comolli delivers much if he cant stop bodge style mistakes

obviously every manager will make mistakes and i understand that. i am not sure how from what i have seen that the system we have delivers what they say it will.

[DannyMan2006]

im not sure you can say there never will be an issue. i am not saying players are not researched

I can say that.

1. When you are a kid, if your mum tells you that it's pie and mash for tea that is what you are gonna eat.

2. If your mum gives you the choice of pizza or fish and chips you will eat one of those.

3. If your mum says that she will buy you a sandwich, what sort of sandwich do you want, you may say, one with meat on it, bit of salad but no tomatos. Your mum could bring you back ham and cucumber, chicken and lettuce, turkey and peppers, etc etc. She may bring back all three, and ask you which one you prefer.

You will eat that sandwich because it's exactly the type of sandwich you asked for.

Now, I know it's a daft explanation, but the relationship of DC and KD is number three. As you can see, KD gets a lot of say. He's not being given ten takeaway menus and being asked to take his pick, but nor is a hardline stance where the DoF rules with an iron fist like at many European clubs.

For me, it is a happy compromise.