How does Comolli's role differ from that of a chief scout?

[DannyMan2006]

ok we get back to my question what good is choosing the profile of player if the manager can keep saying no.

what i am trying to do is to understand how this set up works and not just in the good times. remember the players we were linked with under comolli and roy they were definately not good enough so not sure that comolli delivers much if he cant stop bodge style mistakes

obviously every manager will make mistakes and i understand that. i am not sure how from what i have seen that the system we have delivers what they say it will.

If the manger keeps saying No then our scouting network is not good enough. Every player that a scout hands back to LFC should be good enough for the club, if that player isn't then that scout hasn't done his job.

Now, a scout will never get it right all the time of course and as such some players wont get past DC and others will fall at the final hurdle that is KD.

[CJ]

I can say that.

1. When you are a kid, if your mum tells you that it's pie and mash for tea that is what you are gonna eat.

2. If your mum gives you the choice of pizza or fish and chips you will eat one of those.

3. If your mum says that she will buy you a sandwich, what sort of sandwich do you want, you may say, one with meat on it, bit of salad but no tomatos. Your mum could bring you back ham and cucumber, chicken and lettuce, turkey and peppers, etc etc. She may bring back all three, and ask you which one you prefer.

You will eat that sandwich because it's exactly the type of sandwich you asked for.

Now, I know it's a daft explanation, but the relationship of DC and KD is number three. As you can see, KD gets a lot of say. He's not being given ten takeaway menus and being asked to take his pick, but nor is a hardline stance where the DoF rules with an iron fist like at many European clubs.

For me, it is a happy compromise.

its very naive to state in a relationship between two people it will always be good and there will be no issue nor could it ever possibly break down.

my worry is that comolli was looking at bodge targets if true then he doesnt have a point as its not really beneficial to buy a turd even one with a good profile who has played for england (carlton cole)

i am not saying anything is wrong with the set up at our club. #i am trying to understand how it works and for me a better test of something working is looking at less than ideal situations.

[CJ]

If the manger keeps saying No then our scouting network is not good enough. Every player that a scout hands back to LFC should be good enough for the club, if that player isn't then that scout hasn't done his job.

Now, a scout will never get it right all the time of course and as such some players wont get past DC and others will fall at the final hurdle that is KD.

it might be the manager is not good enough. *i dont mean Kenny i mean in the situation you mentioned above

[DannyMan2006]

its very naive to state in a relationship between two people it will always be good and there will be no issue nor could it ever possibly break down.

my worry is that comolli was looking at bodge targets if true then he doesnt have a point as its not really beneficial to buy a turd even one with a good profile who has played for england (carlton cole)

i am not saying anything is wrong with the set up at our club. #i am trying to understand how it works and for me a better test of something working is looking at less than ideal situations.

The terms of the relationship have been agreed. If either has a fall out and wants to change terms then that's when problems occur.

I knew when I was a kid I didn't have much choice over what was for dinner. I accepted that. But then the food was edible so I got on with it. If my mum started putting **** on my plate or bits of metal, then I would decide that wasn't good enough and would have a pop (well, maybe I would have, maybe not ). Then again, it could have been me that changed. I may have decided that wroking class food was no longer to my liking and I wanted posh grub, I could speak out and have a go.

Either way, the terms have changed and a breakdown in a relationship starts to appear.

[DannyMan2006]

it might be the manager is not good enough. *i dont mean Kenny i mean in the situation you mentioned above

A manager may be asking for the wrong players, but he should always get the type of player he wants.

For instances, a team may be crying out for a defender talented on the ball. But if a manager asks for a clogger he should get one given.

[Fredo]

More money and he gets to wear suits?

[topscorer]

If the manger keeps saying No then our scouting network is not good enough. Every player that a scout hands back to LFC should be good enough for the club, if that player isn't then that scout hasn't done his job.

Now, a scout will never get it right all the time of course and as such some players wont get past DC and others will fall at the final hurdle that is KD.

Or the Manager is the wrong manager.

With Kenny that's not going to happen. With Bodge he didn't have a clue and probably would have taken what he was given and then screwed it up.

With Maureen it would never work.

The Club are trying to build a club ethos, a style. DC job is to make sure the scouts bring back players that will help us build a club of that style. Kenny is on board with what we are trying to do or he would never have signed up to be Manager.

Maybe he won't agree with everyone that the scouts bring forward and get through the filter of DC and his number crunching analysis.

Kenny will get the final say of those that are suggested to him and that's perfect because he has the touchy feely skill of knowing if a player will fit into the dynamics. DC is probably considering personality as well but the main criteria needed to get past him to Kenny is that the player has to meet the statistical measurements put in place by the club.

I think the other important role that DC will have is negotiating decent clauses in contracts, which we've been crap at in the past, determining how long the contract will be, what salary/bonus breakdown will be, how much we pay the other club and what payment terms etc.

I don't think Kenny will give a **** about all that stuff, he just wants the player in the squad and will be happy to leave DC to do that.

I think it will work.

That's my take anyway.

[CJ]

i think its very likely to work with Kenny but what about after kenny thats what i am wondering. and if someone says thats a long time away remember its precesly the reason we have a comolli to ensure continuity when we change managers etc

however am still worried that if we have a crap manager al a bodge all comolli does is go after the crap players like huth and cole.

then that shows the system doesnt work. hopefully comolli wouldnt go for a crap manager

[Red_Polo]

The terms of the relationship have been agreed. If either has a fall out and wants to change terms then that's when problems occur.

I knew when I was a kid I didn't have much choice over what was for dinner. I accepted that. But then the food was edible so I got on with it. If my mum started putting **** on my plate or bits of metal, then I would decide that wasn't good enough and would have a pop (well, maybe I would have, maybe not ). Then again, it could have been me that changed. I may have decided that wroking class food was no longer to my liking and I wanted posh grub, I could speak out and have a go.

Either way, the terms have changed and a breakdown in a relationship starts to appear.

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[Chris]

Jesus Marsh, you always seem to be looking for a problem!

This was all clarified on the official site when Comolli was promoted and Ayre was appointed Chief Exec.

[little dave hedgehog]

he's played by gerard depardieu. as opposed to ewan mcgregor.

[CJ]

he's played by gerard depardieu. as opposed to ewan mcgregor.

what about the bloke from moonraker, ronin and munich

[CJ]

Jesus Marsh, you always seem to be looking for a problem!

This was all clarified on the official site when Comolli was promoted and Ayre was appointed Chief Exec.

i dont think its a problem, however if i have a choice between asking questions or sitting there and wishing people dead i know which i would chose.

i understand what was said at the time and how it officially works but it doesnt look all that different to a chief scout.

now if he is looking at training facilities and academy and how we integrate those and other things then yes its different but if its player recruitment then ok he applies a profile (surely a chief scout works to a brief so its semantics rather than a different role) and he uses statistics more than most again it doesnt mean he isnt a scout. Also remember his background is scouting.

directors of football on the continent can buy players without the managers say so as the turnover of managers is high and the manager is a coach.

i dont believe that it can work over here but in reality do we not end up with chief scouts and a bit more?

hopefully that has explained what i am thinking rather than looking for a problem as chris thinks. Some people naturally question and are inquisitive.

also the reality of a working relationship can be different to the job description

none of this means it wont work but it doesnt mean we have a chief scout with a few bits tagged on and i dont think that is necessarily a bad thing either or that its bad if it works as people say.

one thing though the collegiate approach fsg prefer mean its really important to hire the right team behind the scenes. again thats not a bad thing or a problem

[Neil Young]

Mmm, I want a sandwich.

[CJ]

i hear Dannys mum is the expert