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    From today's Digger. - The bold bit explains a lot - wonder where City will stand if this goes through.

    Manchester United and Liverpool have been forced by new regulatory developments at Fifa and Uefa to inflate their bids for Phil Jones and Jordan Henderson respectively. Less than a decade ago the £20m and £16m that it has required to take Henderson, 20, to Anfield and Jones, 19, to Old Trafford would have broken the British transfer record. Today that combined £36m buys you a single England cap.

    Clearly, in England, young English talent comes at a premium. There is a simple explanation for this: Fifa is working on introducing a system whereby nine players on every 18-man squad sheet must be homegrown.

    Buried amid the eulogies for their president, Sepp Blatter, national associations at Fifa's congress this month voted in favour of new youth development measures. Fifa's player‑status committee, headed by the former Football Association chairman, Geoff Thompson, is holding discussions with national associations, the European Clubs Association and Fifpro as it works up the new rules. Domestic leagues have not yet been invited to have their say. Thompson told the congress: "We must use the qualities associated with the 6+5 concept [a proposal under which clubs would have been compelled to field at least six homegrown players] in trying to manage a workable solution."

    The 6+5 idea died a death amid opposition from clubs and, more importantly, from the European Union, which outlawed regulation according to players' nationality. The compromise agreement football struck with the EU was for eight players from every 25-man squad to have been developed within the fielding club's national association.

    Until now, Fifa youth-development regulation has not impacted on team selection. But if talks on the new regulations develop as Fifa hopes, then it will. New legislation is expected to be only about a year away. No wonder Henderson and Jones have cost so much.
    * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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    As it is we have the following
    Johnson, Kelly, Carra, Gerrard, Robinson, Flanagan, Spearing, Henderson, Carroll, Shelvey

    No wonder we are looking at Dann at centre half and Downing or Adam. Ideally we'll need a couple of more home grown players. Flanagan and Robinson can't be counted on for a full season for the next two years or so and Carra and Gerrard will be reaching their end soon enough.
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      #3
      FIFA are only concerned about national football, doesn't hold any regard to how the world is today. This ruling is going to be detrimental to club football.
      Are we winning?

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        #4
        Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
        FIFA are only concerned about national football, doesn't hold any regard to how the world is today. This ruling is going to be detrimental to club football.
        I think it will be difficult short term, but in the long run, I think it could be ok. I kind of miss football clubs having identies, you see Barcelona with their spanish players and their style and then look at many other clubs where they are made up with a mix of players from all over missing that identity. When teams play teams from other countries it's more fun if the players are at least partially coming from the respective countries.
        Last edited by The_weatherman; 10-06-11, 09:58 AM.
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          #5
          Originally posted by The_weatherman View Post
          I think it will be difficult short term, but in the long run, I think it could be ok. I kind of miss football clubs having identies, you see Barcelona with their spanish players and their style and then look at many other clubs where they are made up with a mix of players from all over missing that identity. When teams play teams from other countries it's more fun if the players are at least partially coming from the respective countries.
          I would rather we had a mix of players that fit out team rather than being forced have players that are homegrown. I think it is stupid personally.
          Having local players doesn't give the club identity, just look at Pepe and Dirk for us.

          A mix of players is better imo.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
            I would rather we had a mix of players that fit out team rather than being forced have players that are homegrown. I think it is stupid personally.
            Having local players doesn't give the club identity, just look at Pepe and Dirk for us.

            A mix of players is better imo.
            Absolutely.
            Are we winning?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
              I would rather we had a mix of players that fit out team rather than being forced have players that are homegrown. I think it is stupid personally.
              Having local players doesn't give the club identity, just look at Pepe and Dirk for us.

              A mix of players is better imo.
              I think it depends what you mean by identity. In footballing terms I think most people mean something like at Barcelona - a definite style that players bought up there possess - it doesn't matter that Messi comes from Argentina it is clear he has been bought up to do things the Barcelona way.

              The coaches we bought in to rejuvenate our academy suggested that they could not directly replicate the Barca model as you need to think about the environment the players will come into - i.e. the physicality of the PL rather with more lenient referees. I think encouraging teams to work in that way is what the directives from FIFA and UEFA are trying to encourage. Along with perhaps giving smaller nations a better deal in terms of playing situations if not economics.

              If we accept that the PL presents different demands to other leagues and that most English players stay within the league then there are two distinct benefits to buying from the domestic market - 1/ players are pre-acclimatised and we can assess whether can do what we want from a player in the environment we want them to do it most and 2/ they are less likely to be tempted 'home' or to clubs of similar stature in leagues in warmer climbs if they do well.

              Even given the most stringent interpretation of the rules proposed a mix is still possible. It strikes me that to suggest otherwise is to raise a straw man.
              "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
              -- William Blake

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                #8
                The Premiem league ?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dww View Post
                  I think it depends what you mean by identity. In footballing terms I think most people mean something like at Barcelona - a definite style that players bought up there possess - it doesn't matter that Messi comes from Argentina it is clear he has been bought up to do things the Barcelona way.

                  The coaches we bought in to rejuvenate our academy suggested that they could not directly replicate the Barca model as you need to think about the environment the players will come into - i.e. the physicality of the PL rather with more lenient referees. I think encouraging teams to work in that way is what the directives from FIFA and UEFA are trying to encourage. Along with perhaps giving smaller nations a better deal in terms of playing situations if not economics.

                  If we accept that the PL presents different demands to other leagues and that most English players stay within the league then there are two distinct benefits to buying from the domestic market - 1/ players are pre-acclimatised and we can assess whether can do what we want from a player in the environment we want them to do it most and 2/ they are less likely to be tempted 'home' or to clubs of similar stature in leagues in warmer climbs if they do well.

                  Even given the most stringent interpretation of the rules proposed a mix is still possible. It strikes me that to suggest otherwise is to raise a straw man.
                  So......to sum it up......you think the proposal could work?
                  * The above is posted in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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                    #10
                    they need to stop federations utilising rules around a country's nationality rules then - how many French national players were born in the Ivory Coast for example?

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