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    Judging players, success/Failure

    When the club buys a player I always give them one full season before giving my verdict or longer if they are not playing through injury etc.

    At what point do you guys pass judgement and either buy the shirt or hound him till he jumps off a bridge.?
    Those that hid Anne Frank were breaking the law.
    Those that killed her, were following the law.
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    #2
    Are you trying to make a point?
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      #3
      Every player is different for me, some players may come in and hit the ground running like Suarez but some might have a slower start, I suppose you can use Carroll in that category, so far, it then depends on really if the person with the slower start's form starts to pick up or they at least start to show signs of what they are capable of (Carroll Man City) but if they're consistently ****e until about January February time and haven't shown any signs of improvement thats when I will start to judge.
      The times they are a changin'.

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        #4
        I'll happily judge a player after he has made a 7 minute debut for us.

        If he was ****ing **** for 7 minutes then you may as well say so. Doesn't mean he is not going go on to be a great player for us or that you don't recognise the need for time.

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          #5
          Its hard to judge, a lot depending on the player.

          With Skrtel for example, he scored an oggy against Havant and Waterlooville on his debut iirc - but he is a good solid CB and proven in the premiership - it takes time.

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            #6
            Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
            I'll happily judge a player after he has made a 7 minute debut for us.

            If he was ****ing **** for 7 minutes then you may as well say so. Doesn't mean he is not going go on to be a great player for us or that you don't recognise the need for time.
            A seven minute cameo when he might not have even touched the ball doesn't mean he's ****. You've got to make a subjective opinion of him over a period of time, you've also got to remember a/ their human, b/ outside influences, c/ new teammates, d/ new systems.

            As examples, Suarez (or Torres) came in and hit the ground running, Carroll was using game time to get his fitness back, Kuyt went through a bad patch when his dad died, Gerrard had it rough (by his standards) when he started having sleepless nights after becoming a dad ... some players need to get used to the culture of a new country (a foreign player), some players need to understand a new role within the team (Lucas) and this is before we even start talking about the human element - bad form, low confidence etc.

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              #7
              Depends if player is used to the league, some foreign players adapt quicker than others, some don't adapt at all. Some players find it hard to make the step up from youth or lower leagues, some excel. Different players get used to different system and managerial styles & the way a team plays.

              Usually i like to give a fair shout to anyone LFC signing, even if i'd have reservations, although sometimes it's hard to keep the gob shut and it's tough not to make snap judgement especially if a big fee was involved. Think we all knee jerk in either directions at some point, hard when emotions are involved i suppose.

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                #8
                Either from his youtube compilation or his first appearance of Match of the Day (especially if it's one of the shorter highlights)...

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                  #9
                  If they haven't been signed by a professional club before their first birthday then forget it.
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                  Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                    #10
                    Depends on the reputation if I am honest, for instance poulsen was regarded as ****e beforehand and nothing I have seen has shown me otherwise.

                    Someone like tony le t got loads of chances with me as he was the next zidane.

                    Very hard not to pre judge a player with all
                    the bollocks spouted on the interweb .
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                      #11
                      I think age, total experience and PL experience all come into it.

                      I would give young players more time to develop than older more experienced ones.

                      I would give a player with no PL experience more time than some who had alot.

                      Injury records also come into it I'd like to give them a good run when they are fully fit.

                      Also if they keep making mistakes and don't learn from them, I am likely to lose patience with them. Similarly if they are clearly well underpar and show little improvement you can tell early on.
                      The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                        Also if they keep making mistakes and don't learn from them, I am likely to lose patience with them.
                        Ldp you have been warned.
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                        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                          #13
                          The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                            If they haven't been signed by a professional club before their first birthday then forget it.
                            At that point it's quite obvious they're not putting the effort in.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                              Ldp you have been warned.
                              It's only a mistake if you think it's a mistake OAPNY

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