Liverpool Stoke post game waking up thread

[The Birdman]

There are different levels of pressure associated with playing for different clubs.

Of course it has an impact.

If your argument is that there is more pressure on Suarez at Liverpool where he doesn't speak the language well and is immune to a lot of the outside media (he won't be reading the papers, won't be sat at home with Sky Sports News on all day) compared to playing for his country where there is a genuine feeling they will be a real threat in the next World Cup then that arguement is pretty weak.
Averaging a goal every 2 games for his country suggests he thrives on the pressure and expectation and responds to it.

To claim a Uruguayian finds playing for Liverpool more stressful than representing his country where approx 3.2 million feel this is their time to compete with Brazil, Argentina on a world stage is clutching at straws.

[Imy]

Before his ban i thought Suarez was looking tired. He's played pretty much every game for us after a full summer of football and i believe a 2 week break in between (with no proper pre-season).

[Mattshark]

Read what I have wrote earlier please Craig before taking things out of context

Suarez scored ****loads for Ajax
Carroll was nowhere near as prolific for Newcastle

Yet people excuse Suarez by saying "hes a number 10 and is therefore a provider" whilst Carroll is the focal point and was "bought as a goalscorer"

For me the club expected a return from Suarez in terms of goals and a return from Carroll in terms of goals

I frankly think the club would have expected more goals to come from Suarez than they would have from Carroll based on their previous records

I dont think they expected 30 goals a season from Suarez but I think they expected 15-20 and similar amount from Carroll (although towards the lower end)

Yes, but people say that about Carroll because he has absolutely nothing else to his game.

[Suarez]

****ing hell, we're closer to Norwich and Swansea than we are to the top...

[danperkins]

Yes, but people say that about Carroll because he has absolutely nothing else to his game.

one dimensional

[The Birdman]

Before his ban i thought Suarez was looking tired. He's played pretty much every game for us after a full summer of football and i believe a 2 week break in between (with no proper pre-season).

Agree 100% about him looking tired, hence my point about 10 pages back that the club should make him to have a holiday when everyone was raving how great it was he was still training with us when he can't play.
I noticed the other day he had gone abroad hadn't he?? (I think) so I presume that is what has happened

[BootRoom]

But you are replacing one player who doesnt score with another who doesnt score

A ridiculous reponse. Even if we stick slavishly to your apparent “statistics rule all” it is patently untrue as Kuyt has a conversion rate of 0% and Suarez 7%, so it would be a case of replacing a player who doesn’t score with a player that does, albeit at a low conversion rate.

Your argument that a hitherto low conversion rate guarantees that Suarez would make zero material impact on the game is laughable; he’s not locked into that rate in perpetuity, and neither are his teammates locked into theirs.

The conversion rate is the statistical frequency with which he has converted chances into goals, not the actual interval between goals, so even if it is now decreed from up high that when Luis Suarez’s time with LFC his scoring record will feature a 7% conversion rate, there is still plenty of scope for him to score in any game (based on the number of games left and chance creation). If you plot the conversion rate after each game it wont be constant, but will fluctuate up and down. This is all pretty simple stuff.

[kris90210]

A ridiculous reponse. Even if we stick slavishly to your apparent “statistics rule all” it is patently untrue as Kuyt has a conversion rate of 0% and Suarez 7%, so it would be a case of replacing a player who doesn’t score with a player that does, albeit at a low conversion rate.

Your argument that a hitherto low conversion rate guarantees that Suarez would make zero material impact on the game is laughable; he’s not locked into that rate in perpetuity, and neither are his teammates locked into theirs.

The conversion rate is the statistical frequency with which he has converted chances into goals, not the actual interval between goals, so even if it is now decreed from up high that when Luis Suarez’s time with LFC his scoring record will feature a 7% conversion rate, there is still plenty of scope for him to score in any game (based on the number of games left and chance creation). If you plot the conversion rate after each game it wont be constant, but will fluctuate up and down. This is all pretty simple stuff.

that's spot on - great post mate. Imo Lecter is getting a bit carried away with all these chance conversion stats.

[Lecter]

that's spot on - great post mate. Imo Lecter is getting a bit carried away with all these chance conversion stats.

And people are pinning too many hopes on Suarez scoring goals

Which so far this season he hasnt done enough of

[kris90210]

And people are pinning too many hopes on Suarez scoring goals

Which so far this season he hasnt done enough of

Way to address the points he raised Lec. Didn't you criticise Arn for something similar?

You banging on about Suarez scoring goals again when everyone is agreeing that he should be scoring more goals. Sounds like a straw man argument to me: To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

[Exiled_red]

And people are pinning too many hopes on Suarez scoring goals

Which so far this season he hasnt done enough of

Hopefully we will see a marked improvement in his goal scoring as he as looked a little subdued since this **** with Evra. Before the Man Utd game he had 4 goals in 8 PL games, since he has 1 in 10. This thing has certainly affected him, even returning to the level he was at (where his chance conversion still wasn't great) would IMO give us a significant improvement.