To JWH, Dalglish and Comolli

[mick the click]

i think they'll turf kenny out at the end of the season with no CL

combination of finishing 6th and the handling of whole suarez affair will be the end of him imho.

shame

..also bollocks

Kenny is safe as houses.

...is the correct answer

Ok, cliche-a-tron 3000 here, but any transfers come with an element of risk. Carroll was a massive risk and as yet it hasn't paid off. To not sign someone because of past indiscretions isn't really a reason not to strengthen the squad though.

He's also young. He will improve. I'd be gobsmacked if KK doesn't make a proper striker out of him

All this about not giving Kenny more money because he 'squandered' hundreds of millions....

First, it's £40m net spend.

Second - the only majorly thing wrong with the side is the inability to convert chances. We're the better side most games, we've dominated plenty of games and we've been actually outplayed about 3 times all season.

So the bulk of that team is clearly doing something right - which doesnt correspond with the idea that Kenny ****ed up in the market. The bit that hasnt worked as well as we need it to, has been Carroll - and even now he isnt being given a proper run in the side.

To say Kenny's ****ed up in the market, when his team has ONE significant flaw in it that is, granted, costing us, seems a heck of an exaggeration.

Yea!

today for instance we were by far the better side but our finishing is terrible that needs addressing but the football we are playing is very good.

Yea!

And it's a horrible word - but we have, on many occasions this season, been unlucky. It happens. It's ****, but it happens. We are doing a lot of things right. We are a work in progress


...and if anyone thinks that KK or FSG are going to come out and say 'we need to spend big' then they haven't been paying attention.

[Craig_H]

The only thing i'd say is that it's not 'unlucky' if it happens all the time - in terms of finishing, it's more that we're not good enough at it. Unlucky means something happens less often than not. Us missing chances is happening more often than not.

So it's not unlucky. We're just dreadful at finishing.

[MrMichael]

All this about not giving Kenny more money because he 'squandered' hundreds of millions....

First, it's £40m net spend.

Second - the only majorly thing wrong with the side is the inability to convert chances. We're the better side most games, we've dominated plenty of games and we've been actually outplayed about 3 times all season.

So the bulk of that team is clearly doing something right - which doesnt correspond with the idea that Kenny ****ed up in the market. The bit that hasnt worked as well as we need it to, has been Carroll - and even now he isnt being given a proper run in the side.

To say Kenny's ****ed up in the market, when his team has ONE significant flaw in it that is, granted, costing us, seems a heck of an exaggeration.

Spot on

[Fredo]

I've seen someone saying that we spent £100m. Same argument was spouted when Rafa was there.

[Kenneth]

All this about not giving Kenny more money because he 'squandered' hundreds of millions....

First, it's £40m net spend.

Second - the only majorly thing wrong with the side is the inability to convert chances. We're the better side most games, we've dominated plenty of games and we've been actually outplayed about 3 times all season.

So the bulk of that team is clearly doing something right - which doesnt correspond with the idea that Kenny ****ed up in the market. The bit that hasnt worked as well as we need it to, has been Carroll - and even now he isnt being given a proper run in the side.

To say Kenny's ****ed up in the market, when his team has ONE significant flaw in it that is, granted, costing us, seems a heck of an exaggeration.

Dont agree, he's ****ed up in the market. Overspent on players who aren't good enough. Carroll, Adam, Downing. And we probably did overpay for Henderson. Our midield has no goals in it (not a ****ing up chances issue) and yes, we can't take chances.

[Craig_H]

So he's ****ed up and overspent on players who arent good enough - yet his signings are forming a fair portion of a team that tends to be the better side in most of its games....

How do those things manage to correlate? Clearly they dont.

[barnes10]

downing, henderson, adam and carroll have essentially failed to do enough to get the team into 4th.

they've all played a hell of a lot yet we are where we are and on a weekly basis we're saying how they've shown glimpses of this, were decent at that...

the nub of it is that they've not been big hits. for a 100mil outlay, i'd expect a few more positives than we get from them.

they're the signings of a man who's got a 4 - 5 year rebuilding project. not someone who's got to get us into 4th or better straight away.

[Kenneth]

I've seen someone saying that we spent £100m. Same argument was spouted when Rafa was there.

if you look at the players bought rather than the overall team, he has spent 100m. Badly.

[Craig_H]

if you look at the players bought rather than the overall team, he has spent 100m. Badly.

If you buy a car priced at £30k but you part-exchange your old car for £10k of it, you've not spent £30k.

As for the players....

Suarez - hit
Coates - too early
Adam - 50/50
Downing - miss
Henderson - harsh would say miss, i'd say young enough and promising
Enrique - hit
Bellamy - hit

Not exactly a '****ed up' set of signings.

[Daniel 7]

If you buy a car priced at £30k but you part-exchange your old car for £10k of it, you've not spent £30k.

As for the players....

Suarez - hit
Coates - too early
Adam - 50/50
Downing - miss
Henderson - harsh would say miss, i'd say young enough and promising
Enrique - hit
Bellamy - hit

Not exactly a '****ed up' set of signings.

Carroll?

[Fredo]

if you look at the players bought rather than the overall team, he has spent 100m. Badly.

[Kenneth]

So he's ****ed up and overspent on players who arent good enough - yet his signings are forming a fair portion of a team that tends to be the better side in most of its games....

How do those things manage to correlate? Clearly they dont.

because 'most games' isn't the measure for a club wanting fourth, and if football is about scoring goals and winning, many of the 'better team' performances are obviously measuring the wrong thing.

And we started from a point where we had a team that without Hodgson would have been challenging for fourth the year before.

So, I don't see the contradiction.

[Craig_H]

Carroll?

Genuinely (somehow) forgot him

Miss so far but i'd suggest that he's not really been given a fair crack of the whip. If you go on the amount he cost, then obviously a miss.

[Craig_H]

because 'most games' isn't the measure for a club wanting fourth, and if football is about scoring goals and winning, many of the 'better team' performances are obviously measuring the wrong thing.

And we started from a point where we had a team that without Hodgson would have been challenging for fourth the year before.

So, I don't see the contradiction.

Of course 'most games' is a good measure. I'd rather play well 30 games out of 38 even if we dont get the rewards, because i know that within the realms of likely logic, you'll get rewarded more often than not. As opposed to playing well 10 games out of 38 and somehow fluking points when we've been **** - because i know that doesnt last.

[Kenneth]

when you have a receipt for 100m and you look at what you bought with it, you can think 'i spent 100m on this, good or bad value?'.