QPR Post-Match Thread

[Craig_H]

Therer isn't an inherent rule that you get years, and there is no concept of fairness in this regard. Rafa and even Houllier had a recent record of success and we invested patience and time in them because we thought there was no reason why they couldn't recreate that with us with the same recipe. Kenny does not come with this, so there is less confidence that he has a winning strategy that he needs time to implement. In fact, rather than working to a '5 year plan', the purchases and selections make it look more like he's making it up as he goes along.

There's no hard and fast rule, no. But i think it's fair to say that, unless things are getting out of control and beyond repair, a manager deserves an amount of time that is realistically condusive to building the squad he wants, getting his ideas stamped into those players and getting the team playing his way.

What time scale that is, will be a matter of opinion and of course part-way through that, you want to be seeing signs that it's coming together - personally i think we have seen some of those signs, albeit not enough. And i also think, whatever that time scale is, what it isnt is a year or so.

[The Birdman]

So Shaggs, say Kenny falls on his sword and goes or is pushed, who would you want to come in as our new manager.

(Rafa doesn't count, we'd both have him back in a heartbeat)

[Reece]

I love Kenny but i want Liverpool to play the right way,if he goes for any reason i want Brendon Rogers to take over.

So Shaggs, say Kenny falls on his sword and goes or is pushed, who would you want to come in as our new manager.

(Rafa doesn't count, we'd both have him back in a heartbeat)

[Darkon]

I can't agree mate, the expectation of 4th was reasonable. The expectation is not the problem. The problem is the players and the manager not being up to the required quality, especially after being so well backed.

I'm not going to start that old tiresome discussion again, that have gone in circles plenty of times already on here.

My point is that of course the expectations towards the team affect how you assess them. And in general I think we still have to high expectations to what can be achieved in a short area of time because of our history rather than our present situation. It's not just this season, it's been that way for a very long time now.

[Craig_H]

I think so, yeah. Sure the league campaign was poor but it was a much stronger league. We need 16 points from our last 9 games to equal our points tally in 2004/05 - in a far weaker league than it was back then.

Mourinho's Chelsea, United of Ronaldo & Rooney, Arsenal post-invincibles. Now we've got a dysfunctional albeit rich City side, the worst United team in living memory, Chelsea in crisis, Arsenal in crisis, and Spurs doing well and then collapsing, and we're still ****ing it up.

We scored 52 goals that season. We now have 35 in 29 games. So we need 18 more goals in the remaining 9 games. We had Alonso, Garcia and the plan was obvious. I just don't see much of a plan now and have no idea how the new players were supposed to fit into whatever the hell it is we're trying to do.

However I don't want to judge Kenny based on comparisons with others, rather based on what I've seen this season. I just don't like this team very much.

I think you're in danger of oversimplifying how poor/easy the league has become. City are a force, even if you think they're disfunctional, they're still a major powerhouse. United, for all them being 'the worst in years' still get the points. Spurs are lightyears ahead of where they were back then and even for possibly ****ing up now, have been a good team and Arsenal, whilst not invincibles, are a good side and their recent winning run shows that. Chelsea still have the bulk of a very expensively assembled squad and are capable of spunking £75m at a whim.

Sure, there arent many sides that stand up next to some of the great title winning sides of years past, but in terms of top four, i'm not sure it actually is easier now than years ago. I think it's harder. There are less teams of 'champions' level quality but more of top four standard.

[Lecter]

Think the middle of the table is arguably stronger, but the top end (i.e. our rivals) is significantly weaker and I can't remember a set of poorer teams than those who are at the bottom this year (Wolves, Bolton, Wigan, QPR, Blackburn).

I don't think many would argue with the idea that this season's Prem is as weak/poor as it's been for a long time.

The leagues poorer I agree but because everyone is bunched up around the middle its more competitive

The bottom 3 or 4 are probably no worse than they were in 2004-2005

[Alex]

Bielsa, what has he actually done in football. I know Bilbao play nice football.

But would a more established manager not be better. Someone with a pedigree of winning things?

[Shaggy]

So Shaggs, say Kenny falls on his sword and goes or is pushed, who would you want to come in as our new manager.

(Rafa doesn't count, we'd both have him back in a heartbeat)

Why doesn't he count?

Man, I dunno. I'd be tempted to go for a maverick appointment like Bielsa. I'm not sure we'd be dining at the top table in terms of potential appointments. To my mind Benitez would be by a distance the best manager we could attract. Outside of him, Bielsa would be a lot of fun but I struggle to think of many appealing, realistic candidates.

If Kenny went my fear would be FSG going for someone like ****ing Deschamps.

[BootRoom]

Dont be ****ing daft

All that matters is here and now - Shanks himself said "you are only as good as your last game"

What Suarez did is irrelevant - he isnt doing that here

The Premier League is very different from Eridivise players who have prospered there have flounded over here

I just dont see holding up his performance over there as something that will definitely happen here

That fell by the wayside a long, long time ago. You only have to look at who's getting a game nowadays to see that we are not run as a meritocracy, with the best players in their best positions. Accommodation is the name of the game now, be it expensive under-performing signings, or over the hill ‘stalwarts’.

[Kenneth]

Doesn't get away from the fact that we should be competing with the big teams for the top four places and we are doing doing significantly worse than they are despite them appearing determined to **** themselves up.

[Kenneth]

Bielsa, what has he actually done in football. I know Bilbao play nice football.

But would a more established manager not be better. Someone with a pedigree of winning things?

yes, they absolutely would.

[Alex]

yes, they absolutely would.

But I suppose that begs the question, who would want to come to us?

[Mattshark]

I would prefer it we could try for Jurgen Klopp. His Dortmund side current holders and leaders of the Bundesliga and do know how to play nice football.

[Gibbo]

If Kenny leaves I'd be happy with Rafa or Bielsa.

I actually wouldn't mind Capello either if im completely honest.

[Gibbo]

I would prefer it we could try for Jurgen Klopp. His Dortmund side current holders and leaders of the Bundesliga and do know how to play nice football.

Klopp is wanted by Chelsea isn't he?