Comolli Sacked

[Lecter]

The way you throw names about is assuming that any of the players involved would want to join us.

Some of the suggestions are hysterical and it makes my blood boil when people talk fees in isolation without discussion wages

Mata was probably never an option because of the amount of wages he was looking for

[Lecter]

You don't ask you don't get. And there is no evidence we asked for these players. Liverpool is still a massive draw and players like Hazard are in our reach. We just need to go the extra mile to get them.

Totally disagree

Some of the fees are in reach, some of the wages these players are asking for make the total packages beyond our reach

People sight Aguero and Mata as examples to hammer Dalglish but they completely ignore the wages these players demand

[Daffy Duck]

Would you say that Mata's wages are the reason why we haven't bought him, Lecter?

[Lecter]

Likelihood is that you are correct but I am not sure that can be said with certainty.

What we can say with certainty is that according to Mata we were not interested in his services.

But we have no idea when we said "no not interested"

Was it before discussing ballpark figures with his agent or was it before that

I'd be surprised if contact wasnt made with his agent to at least find out what sort of wages he would be looking for

Decisions on players will more often than not be made when you have all the figures in front of you

If the total financial package is above your parameters then its a no go

Personally I dont think Mata & Aguero where ever options on this basis and neither will Hazard imo

[Lecter]

Would you say that Mata's wages are the reason why we haven't bought him, Lecter?

It will definitely be a factor and anyone who dismisses that AND the fee is a fool imo

The total cost package will always be a factor and I think we have to realise that teams like City & Chelsea can offer packages that will blow us out of the water every time

[Lecter]

a question to everyone one who is the bigger draw for players if they were/are managers of lfc rafa or dalglish ?

Sadly wages will be the biggest draw

[Lecter]

Ok,



I doubt Mancini was the reason Aguero and Nasri went to City.

No money was probably the biggest reason they went to City

[Phoenix07]

Mata deserves top wages because he is a top player. The transfer fee was well within our reach when Arsenal were negotiating just before his buy-out clause increased.

FSG want salaries to reflect the quality of the squad as Henry has commented on when discussing how high the wage bill was. Aguero is a ridiculous example to compare to Mata. His wages are through the roof as are all the add-ons.

We have the scope unlike Arsenal and Spurs, who have capped their premium wage offered.

If Balague is right, it's just criminal. By the way, Chelsea fans were fuming that Gary Cahill was negotiating for a higher wage than Mata (£80k a week). According to their forums, Mata's on less than Cahill and David Luiz.

[Baracus]

Some of the suggestions are hysterical and it makes my blood boil when people talk fees in isolation without discussion wages

Mata was probably never an option because of the amount of wages he was looking for

Before any of the hysterical brigade pull you up on this.

Mata's reported wages is between 65k and 80k. Not a whole lot more, maybe less then Downing.

The simple fact with Mata vs. Downing when Fee, wages and length of contract are the same was we prefered one over the other. I wish people would stop going on about it.

[Lecter]

Before any of the hysterical brigade pull you up on this.

Mata's reported wages is between 65k and 80k. Not a whole lot nore, maybe less then Downing.

The simple fact with Mata V Downing when Fee, wages and lenght on contract are the same was we prefered one over the other. I wish people would stop going on about.

Mata is on more than that

His fee was also considerably more as the fee is reportedly worth upto £29 million if you believe the reports

To me the comparisons are ****ing pointless and it dilutes the argument imo

We shouldnt have bought Downing and the money would have been better spent elsewhere

Unfortunately that elsewhere doesnt include options like Juan Mata or Eden Hazard

[Redshadow]

I think it's pretty damn obvious from That? That it's partly a case of Commolli apportioning blame Away from himself via the media but also? That Some of what we feared is clearly true & coming to pass as well & that whilst FSG might indeed have the resources & funds necessary to run us & get us big players when necessary? For some unknown reason I think they've if not pushed then ahem 'encouraged' Kenny to a 'Buy British' piece of crap policy - You don't believe me? Look at the Homegrown Rules that are coming in soon & which many have considered as & commented on as being equally as important as these so-called FFP rules that FSG's reps Never shut up about but further? Look at How much emphasis they put on Local Talent in their US teams & 'Franchises'; Evidently? They believe the same can be applied here No matter What & as such? I think they're trying to push the club in that direction - I think Kenny's got To good an eye for a player (having been one himself at the Very top of the game) to Not spot talent when he sees it whatever the nationality & that's why I think that whilst that article May have a point?

I think it's probably not a little false & disingenuous in saying Commolli was pushed to 'Buy British' by "FSG & Dalglish" When actually? It was partly a mess of his Own making (check his Spurs record where he did something similar in the long term for proof) & further? Quite clearly the work of FSG - The disaster in the league this season has evolved into? Has hopefully made them think again as such a ridiculous policy as that? Cannot be repeated if we're to evolve - We all Hope they're quick learners no? Well That (don't buy British unless we Have to) if nothing else is the lesson they Need to have learned in time for next season - Else? We'll be no further forward in the league in a years time. Will they learn? We shall see - On that one? Time will tell..............

[Mattshark]

Look at How much emphasis they put on Local Talent in their US teams & 'Franchises

That would be pretty much next to none. In fact US sports teams don't even train their own players from youth, they buy them or bring them in from universities (none of that is nation protected) nor do they go through their local universities (The Red Sox don't specifically use Harvard, Boston U or UMAS to recruit).

Just to give you an example, none of the NYY starting pitchers are from New York and just 2 players on their active roster are from New York, they have more people from the Dominican Rep and California. FSG's Red Sox don't have a single play from Massachuessets, they don't even have one from a neighbouring state.

Edit, just to add, you also massively confuse proof and evidence and the homegrown rules have been in effect for 3 seasons now.

[CJ]

Why is the first that significant in your post? Its in bold so i assume there is a reason

[peekay]

Mata is on more than that

His fee was also considerably more as the fee is reportedly worth upto £29 million if you believe the reports

To me the comparisons are ****ing pointless and it dilutes the argument imo

We shouldnt have bought Downing and the money would have been better spent elsewhere

Unfortunately that elsewhere doesnt include options like Juan Mata or Eden Hazard

[shanks69]

Sadly wages will be the biggest draw

another thing for a lot of foreign players is the chance to live in london