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    What is our best system and team?

    It’s now May and having watched us all season I don’t think we have a regular system, we play Suarez as a lone striker, we play Carroll as a lone striker, we play the two together, we play Gerrard off the front man, deep in midfield or on the right etc you get the picture. What do you think our best formation is and which players would you choose to play in it (assuming everyone is fit).

    I would go with:

    ----------------- Reina ------------------
    Johnson ---- Skrtel ---- Agger ---- Enrique
    ------------- Adam ---- Lucas -----------
    ---- Suarez ------ Gerrard --------Downing
    ------------------ Carroll -----------------

    Goalkeeper – only one choice here

    Centre backs – again the obvious choice our best partnership, both have been playing well for most of the season and allow us to play a higher line.

    Full backs – This was a tough one at the start of the season Enrique was great, but as the season has gone on his form level has dropped now he has reached the point of making me nervous, I’ve stuck with him but it was a toss-up between including him and playing Johnson at LB and Kelly at right back. Johnson is our best full back and playing him on his favoured side probably had an impact on me picking Enrique over Kelly.

    Centre midfield – I don’t think anyone realised how important Lucas was until he got injured, again Adam is one that has been frustrating, but he has offered something tangible in terms of assists than none of the others have really come close to, our lack of options in this area is worrying. I think Henderson could develop and would do better alongside Lucas, but having not seen him there I didn’t feel I could pick him there.

    Attacking midfield – Gerrard playing off the front man like he used to plays to his strengths it gets him further up the field where he can be more dangerous and have more influence on the game. Alternatively he can drop back into midfield when needed to make a 3 mad midfield.

    Wide areas – On the right we don’t have a great deal of options, Suarez played there for Ajax and I think that playing him here will give us a more rigid structure as it allows us to have Carroll up front, which always gives us a presence in the box, Suarez floats around too much as a lone striker. On the left I went with Downing because I think he could do well playing regularly with Carroll, but most likely we’d swap between Downing and Bellamy. I think Suarez and Downing would complement each other well Downing crosses from wide areas where as Suarez will run at defenders and come inside.

    Striker – the choice was between Carroll and Suarez, Carroll provides a target man, a physical presence and someone who will stay in the box, whereas Suarez floats around and is unpredictable – while that is a problem for defenders it is also a problem for us as it often leaves us without someone in the box.

    I think this side would give us alot more than we have had this season the there is some good attacking options there with that line up with Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll we have our best attacking players on the pitch and they all offer something different. The problem areas are centre midfield (Adam), left wing and left back, all these need addressing in the summer, we also need another striker and more squad options if the players it looks like will be moving on do actually leave.
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    Like the formation but not sure about Carroll playing upfront. We tend to be very direct when he plays which worries me. I'd look for a better left back next season - Enrique's not good enough IMO. Ah, and centre midfield we've go to do better than Adam.
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      #3
      Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
      Like the formation but not sure about Carroll playing upfront. We tend to be very direct when he plays which worries me. I'd look for a better left back next season - Enrique's not good enough IMO. Ah, and centre midfield we've go to do better than Adam.
      We have to be patient, after all it's a learning curve

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        #4
        Originally posted by danperkins View Post
        We have to be patient, after all it's a learning curve
        I'm not advocating sacking him. Just bring someone else better than him to provide competition. I think he maybe lacks someone competing for that position.
        Are we winning?

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          #5
          Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
          Like the formation but not sure about Carroll playing upfront. We tend to be very direct when he plays which worries me. I'd look for a better left back next season - Enrique's not good enough IMO. Ah, and centre midfield we've go to do better than Adam.
          Like I say Adam is probably the best of a bad bunch, he's the only CM that offered something going forward, Henderson is a work in progress, as is Shelvey, there are no real options. I was unsure whether to pick Enrique or swicth Johnson to LB and play Kelly at RB, if we had another option (Aurelio barely counts) he wouldn't have been included.

          As for Carroll up front I think we've played better when he's been in the side, with Suarez and Gerrard close to him I think we could have a decent attacking threat with lots of options. I don't think Suarez is suitable to play as a lone striker, and again we have no really options up front.
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            #6
            **** knows. We don't have the players for a 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or a 4-4-2.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
              Like I say Adam is probably the best of a bad bunch, he's the only CM that offered something going forward, Henderson is a work in progress, as is Shelvey, there are no real options. I was unsure whether to pick Enrique or swicth Johnson to LB and play Kelly at RB, if we had another option (Aurelio barely counts) he wouldn't have been included.

              As for Carroll up front I think we've played better when he's been in the side, with Suarez and Gerrard close to him I think we could have a decent attacking threat with lots of options. I don't think Suarez is suitable to play as a lone striker, and again we have no really options up front.
              He scored one of the best hat tricks playing as a lone striker. The problem yesterday was he was left on his own and the gap between him and midfield was huge mainly due to Gerrard having to drop back as Spearing and Henderson were getting torn to bits. Hence the reason why Bellamy was moved up front up and Henderson was put out wide until Carroll came on.
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                #8
                Originally posted by saj View Post
                **** knows. We don't have the players for a 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or a 4-4-2.
                Is the right answer. Back to the drawing board.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by saj View Post
                  He scored one of the best hat tricks playing as a lone striker. The problem yesterday was he was left on his own and the gap between him and midfield was huge mainly due to Gerrard having to drop back as Spearing and Henderson were getting torn to bits. Hence the reason why Bellamy was moved up front up and Henderson was put out wide until Carroll came on.


                  That's where we lost the game. When Kenny rejigged in the second half we played much better.
                  Are we winning?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
                    I'm not advocating sacking him. Just bring someone else better than him to provide competition. I think he maybe lacks someone competing for that position.
                    EDIT: So not sacking him just dropping him permanently and sure you don't have the authority to do that!!!!! I have no issues with laying down the law this summer, sick of the over paid, under performing ****e. LFC need to get ruthless.

                    And I agree with you're sentiments about Enrique Enrique looked to be a superb signing, but has regressed something awful in 2012. IMO though he is not any near the worst of our problems. For me he is just going through a bad spell, guy has played very well for 2 and half consecutive seasons, and IMO much like Reina, he is just suffering poor form within a faltering LFC side.

                    Hopefully he can regain his form come next season.
                    Last edited by danperkins; 06-05-12, 11:49 AM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by saj View Post
                      He scored one of the best hat tricks playing as a lone striker. The problem yesterday was he was left on his own and the gap between him and midfield was huge mainly due to Gerrard having to drop back as Spearing and Henderson were getting torn to bits. Hence the reason why Bellamy was moved up front up and Henderson was put out wide until Carroll came on.
                      this is spot on

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by saj View Post
                        He scored one of the best hat tricks playing as a lone striker. The problem yesterday was he was left on his own and the gap between him and midfield was huge mainly due to Gerrard having to drop back as Spearing and Henderson were getting torn to bits. Hence the reason why Bellamy was moved up front up and Henderson was put out wide until Carroll came on.
                        That hat-trick came from his individual play not from team work. As a lone striker he has to work effectively in a team/system - be in the box and that isn't his strong point, he drifts away out wide too much to play that role IMO.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                          That hat-trick came from his individual play not from team work. As a lone striker he has to work effectively in a team/system - be in the box and that isn't his strong point, he drifts away out wide too much to play that role IMO.
                          You are right. He just needs players around him as he likes short quick passes and it also gives him more space to dribble if there are more teammates around him. Against Norwich his second goal was down to individual play. But the first goal was a team goal, how close was Gerrard to him when he passed him the ball? And in the final goal, Gerrard was fairly close to him (well in passing range) and he should have passed it to him - but his amazing effort went in

                          Yesterday he hardly drifted wide until Bellamy went up front and more so when Carroll came on.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post

                            ----------------- Reina ------------------
                            Johnson ---- Skrtel ---- Agger ---- Enrique
                            ------------- Adam ---- Lucas -----------
                            ---- Suarez ------ Gerrard --------Downing
                            ------------------ Carroll -----------------
                            Shelvey for Adam in the middle and why on earth is Downing starting of Maxi and/or Bellamy ?? Downing has featured in almost every league game this season and still hasn't got a single goal or assist, at least with Craig and Maxi there's a chance they'll contribute something.
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                              #15
                              To be fair chelsea are a good team and whichever game plan you go with its still not going to e easy. Yesterday we decided to use suarez as a lonestriker with the idea of using suarez mobility against two aerially dominating defenders. Unless youve got players in the middle of the pitch who can move the ball quickly and can make incisive passes into the final third its going to be very hard to build any sort of momentum.

                              Even a second allows someone at that level to cover four or five yards and the opportunity that may have heen there is lost because the space in the middle has gone. We just couldnt mount any attacks of any significance in the first 60 min.

                              But the game changed when carroll came on. His presence allowed us to bypass chelseas packed central midfield and push the first phase of play much higher up the pitch. From there we managed to pick up more second balls and chelsea who have played nine matches more than us looked very tired.

                              I dont think we can criticise kenny for picking this gameplan because usually you would say that both ivanovic andterry are more than capable of handling themselves aerially vs carroll.

                              We made one big mistake when spearing gave the ball away a second when enrique tried to win the ball instead of just getting back to shut down the angle and a third when pepe whos been awful this season didnt cover his near post.

                              For the second spearing gave the ball away from the rght back position and then dived into lampwrd who just left him for dead and they got a second.

                              The fa cup final wasnt the problem as for me the season has been a disaster. But kenny should.now step.aside and we should look forsomeone else.
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