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True, but they can same the same about Luis. He has the ability to create something out of nothing and I have a sneaky that he is going to have a big game for us today.Originally posted by DKdan View PostMost annoying about this game is that if it wasnt for van Persie I would be very confident of a win, but I dread the thought of them beeing ****e for 98 minutes, but still get a crap winning goal through him.
"Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley
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Originally posted by SB View PostI believe that the authorities should instruct the referees to halt the match if the scum supporters start any vile chants & not restart the match until all scum fans are removed from the ground. That will get the message across louder than Fergies pleas.
looks like I'm not alone
Liverpool v Manchester United
Aldridge: Ban vile chanters for life
September 23, 2012
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By Kevin Palmer
Liverpool legend John Aldridge has called for 'supporters' who taunt vile chants from the stands to be identified and banned from football for good.
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson led the calls for the hostilities that have long existed between his club and Liverpool to come to an end ahead of Sunday's clash at Anfield, when the innocent victims on the Hillsborough tragedy were to be remembered.
Yet Aldridge believes the truce between the two rivals should not be a temporary case fire, as he is calling on the game's authorities to use the mood of reconciliation as a force for permanent good.
"Our sport in 2012 has no place for idiots who turn up at a game and taunt the Liverpool fans who perished at Hillsborough or the wonderful Manchester United team that was decimated at a Munich airfield back in 1958," he told Ireland's Sunday World newspaper
"So if any United fan decides he wants to turn up at Anfield and sing a song suggesting Scousers were to blame for Hillsborough or if any Liverpool fans chant abuse about United's darkest hour, the people sat in the seats next to them in the stands should tell them to shut their ugly mouths.
"After that, the authorities should nail them, take their season tickets away and make sure these imbeciles don't soil the stands of a football ground for a long, long time. A zero tolerance policy is the way forward on this issue.
"CCTV cameras are positioned all over Premier League grounds and it wouldn't be too hard to pick out the cretins and make sure they are banned from every ground in England. If we did that, this unacceptable minority would be eradicated very quickly.
"In every walk of life, you are going to get the fools who don't fit in with the majority and football has a small pocket of people who do not seem to be in tune with life on this planet, so take him out of football and tell him to go and annoy someone else."
Aldridge insists he does not want to see the intense rivalry between Liverpool and United diluted beyond recognition, but he is convinced more cordial relations between the clubs would be healthy for the game.
"The day we see United and Liverpool fans holding hands and going to match together is the day we know this sport has gone too touchy feely for its own good and there is a danger that the sport is going that way with working class fans are being priced out of the game," he adds.
"I want to see passionate games between teams who have ripped into each other time and again down the years and so long as all the animosity is channelled in the right direction, no one will have any problem with it."
Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.
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This is really getting on my wick.
From Gerrard's interview in the Guardian:
Liverpool play Manchester United at Anfield on Sunday and Gerrard hopes something can change now, that the supporters of the two clubs will accept that songs about the Hillsborough and Munich tragedies go beyond the line.Sir Alex Ferguson has appealed for United supporters to refrain from any of the distasteful songs that have been heard from the away end at Anfield. Vidic has said the same. Sandy Busby, Sir Matt's son, too. For their part, Brendan Rodgers and various other Liverpool representatives have called for an end to chants about the Munich air disaster. "Let's have it right, it's not every supporter out there," Gerrard says. "It's a minority but people do jump on the back of it and if you're a supporter at this game and hear a whisper or someone starts making these kind of noises, then you've got a responsibility to tell the person next to you not to go down that road.
WTF? It makes out that old Munich song is still sung with some gusto by a minority on the Kop. Complete horse****. I know it was sung for years before Hillsborough and that is to our eternal shame, but it doesn't happen anymore. There are individuals who shout stuff, individuals who make the aeroplane gestures - and obviously that is totally unacceptable. But the implication that there's some sort of vocal minority who go round singing the Munich song every week is quite irritating and totally inaccurate. The only time I've heard it sung properly in recent years was at Old Trafford after we'd taken 70 minutes of poisonous, bilious abuse. Entire families, wives and kids included, singing 'murderers' at us. That was no excuse for the hundred or so who burst into "who's that dying on the runway" but to suggest we have as big a problem with offensive chanting as that lot do is laughable and frankly annoying.Last edited by Shaggy; 23-09-12, 10:23 AM.Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’
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That may be your view but it's not what I meant.Originally posted by Nigey View Post
Mr. Ferguson is a ****.
I just think it's wrong to read Ferguson's behaviour in recent days as a sign of such good character, when we know of gazillions of examples of behaviour that does him no credit whatsoever.
Ultimately why he's doing something doesn't really matter - in this case, trying to keep Man United fans from being disrespectful about Hillsborough is unarguably right and he's been very forthright about it. But in addition to it being "a good thing", I'm sure he also knows that bad behaviour from Man United fans today would be very damaging to his club's reputation. And, as he has said, the 50th anniversary of the Munich crash negatively affected his players so maybe he wants to approach it in a different way from before so that his side isn't disadvantaged in some way. Who knows?
He's broadly doing the right thing - although the blanket coverage of his intervention is a little galling after so many years of silence from him - but I'm not getting carried away and forgetting all the past examples of his behaviour and public statements that paint him in a less favourable light..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
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Originally posted by Neil Young View PostThat may be your view but it's not what I meant.
I just think it's wrong to read Ferguson's behaviour in recent days as a sign of such good character, when we know of gazillions of examples of behaviour that does him no credit whatsoever.
Ultimately why he's doing something doesn't really matter - in this case, trying to keep Man United fans from being disrespectful about Hillsborough is unarguably right and he's been very forthright about it. But in addition to it being "a good thing", I'm sure he also knows that bad behaviour from Man United fans today would be very damaging to his club's reputation. And, as he has said, the 50th anniversary of the Munich crash negatively affected his players so maybe he wants to approach it in a different way from before so that his side isn't disadvantaged in some way. Who knows?
He's broadly doing the right thing - although the blanket coverage of his intervention is a little galling after so many years of silence from him - but I'm not getting carried away and forgetting all the past examples of his behaviour and public statements that paint him in a less favourable light.
Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’
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Originally posted by Shaggy View Post
WTF? It makes out that old Munich song is still sung with some gusto by a minority on the Kop. Complete horse****. I know it was sung for years before Hillsborough and that is to our eternal shame, but it doesn't happen anymore. There are individuals who shout stuff, individuals who make the aeroplane gestures - and obviously that is totally unacceptable. But the implication that there's some sort of vocal minority who go round singing the Munich song every week is quite irritating and totally inaccurate. The only time I've heard it sung properly in recent years was at Old Trafford after we'd taken 70 minutes of poisonous, bilious abuse. Entire families, wives and kids included, singing 'murderers' at us. That was no excuse for the hundred or so burst into "who's that dying on the runway" but to suggest we have as big a problem with offensive chanting as that lot do is laughable and frankly annoying.
Even Joe Jordan came out the other day to say he never once heard that chant from LFC."Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley
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Oh ffs, you know what, i had completely forgot that he was now a utd player.Originally posted by DKdan View PostMost annoying about this game is that if it wasnt for van Persie I would be very confident of a win, but I dread the thought of them beeing ****e for 98 minutes, but still get a crap winning goal through him.
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