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    Two steps forward, three steps back...

    Don't worry, this isn't another post about the progression of the team under Rodgers. It's actually about the way that a minority of the fans seem intent on keeping us in the headlights of the tabloids for all the wrong reasons.

    Let's face it, in recent years Liverpool and its fans have become increasingly unpopular, with episodes like the Suarez incident reflecting badly on club and fans alike. The universal shock at the findings of the Hillsborough Inquiry made much of that irrelevant, and made the world at large realise that it wasn't a situation where we we 'acting the victim', but was in fact one of the most heinous and endemic cover ups in memory. The tidal wave of goodwill towards the club and its fans was pretty overwhelming (even if it was way too late).

    And so to Sunday's match, which I really hoped would be an opportunity to show that fans could act as rational, sensible adults, and could commemorate a tragic event in a peaceful and dignified way. If the United fans were dicks, so be it - the press would pick up on it and they would be vilified for it. Ferguson's open letter to United fans wasn't just because he sympathised with the situation (which I think that he did - no one who genuinely loves the game could fail to be moved), but also because he could see a PR cluster**** of epic proportions on the horizon.

    The opening to the match was incredibly moving, and the Liverpool fans at least were exemplary. The game itself has already been dicussed at length, so no need to rehash that. And so to the aftermath, which to be frank has left me wondering why I still follow football at all.

    Firstly, the idiots who did the Munich gestures at the end of the game should be banned for at least the rest of the season. How stupid, how tribal, and how selfish to do that on a day that was supposed to be about showing the world that we were better than that, that we were dignified in our grief, and that the loss of 96 lives was far more important than any stupid rivalry. If the United fans want to make a show of themselves, let them - they'd have come out of it looking ridiculous. Instead of that the actions of a handful of ****wits make us look like hypocrites.

    And as for the Mark Halsey abuse on Twitter. It's a game of ****ing football, and he's just a bloke who happens to referee for a living. Yes, he made bad decisions, but **** happens, and next time it might be us who benefits from a bad decision. To make death threats, to say that you wish he'd died from cancer, that almost defies belief. Who are these ****ing idiots? How dare they purport to represent the rest of us and our club? And really, when as a club we are grieving for the senseless loss of so many lives, who goes on a social media platform and wishes suffering and death on a person because he might have made an error of judgement? Jesus, words fail me.

    Anyway, rant over.

    #2
    Good post JP.

    Its particularly the last few paragraphs - I cannot stand this kind of idiotic tribalism, where anything goes and everyone is fair game. Its pathetic, but it happens at football grounds up and down the country.
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      #3
      Whilst i agree with you, its also how the press decided to cover the story, every club has its share of morons, and with twitter its like the War on Terror .. you have an endless supply of headlines for lazy jornos ...

      But I agree with you, Liverpool has to get on to the back pages for the right reasons. Ban any douchebag pulling any kind of racist or cuntish behaviour. Have zero tolerance .. by all means have the banter but there is a line.
      Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
      #****CITY

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        #4
        Was thinking this was another Downing thread.
        If we are all only happy when we are really winning in the end, when your race finishes, what life would that be?

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          #5
          Bans should be longer than a season

          Personally I wouldnt be too unhappy with permanent bans or minimum 5 years

          There has to be a real deterrant and the clubs have to do more about it

          It really does make me wonder about the people running the club

          They should definitely be more proactive on this as from a PR stand point alone it would be hugely beneficial to the business

          It would show that you are cleaning house with a nod towards the integrity of the club
          Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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            #6
            Originally posted by Lecter View Post
            Bans should be longer than a season

            Personally I wouldnt be too unhappy with permanent bans or minimum 5 years

            There has to be a real deterrant and the clubs have to do more about it

            It really does make me wonder about the people running the club

            They should definitely be more proactive on this as from a PR stand point alone it would be hugely beneficial to the business

            It would show that you are cleaning house with a nod towards the integrity of the club
            Definitely. No ban is too severe on people who are prepared to mock the dead and bereaved.
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              #7
              Originally posted by James P View Post
              Don't worry, this isn't another post about the progression of the team under Rodgers. It's actually about the way that a minority of the fans seem intent on keeping us in the headlights of the tabloids for all the wrong reasons.

              Let's face it, in recent years Liverpool and its fans have become increasingly unpopular, with episodes like the Suarez incident reflecting badly on club and fans alike. The universal shock at the findings of the Hillsborough Inquiry made much of that irrelevant, and made the world at large realise that it wasn't a situation where we we 'acting the victim', but was in fact one of the most heinous and endemic cover ups in memory. The tidal wave of goodwill towards the club and its fans was pretty overwhelming (even if it was way too late).

              And so to Sunday's match, which I really hoped would be an opportunity to show that fans could act as rational, sensible adults, and could commemorate a tragic event in a peaceful and dignified way. If the United fans were dicks, so be it - the press would pick up on it and they would be vilified for it. Ferguson's open letter to United fans wasn't just because he sympathised with the situation (which I think that he did - no one who genuinely loves the game could fail to be moved), but also because he could see a PR cluster**** of epic proportions on the horizon.

              The opening to the match was incredibly moving, and the Liverpool fans at least were exemplary. The game itself has already been dicussed at length, so no need to rehash that. And so to the aftermath, which to be frank has left me wondering why I still follow football at all.

              Firstly, the idiots who did the Munich gestures at the end of the game should be banned for at least the rest of the season. How stupid, how tribal, and how selfish to do that on a day that was supposed to be about showing the world that we were better than that, that we were dignified in our grief, and that the loss of 96 lives was far more important than any stupid rivalry. If the United fans want to make a show of themselves, let them - they'd have come out of it looking ridiculous. Instead of that the actions of a handful of ****wits make us look like hypocrites.

              And as for the Mark Halsey abuse on Twitter. It's a game of ****ing football, and he's just a bloke who happens to referee for a living. Yes, he made bad decisions, but **** happens, and next time it might be us who benefits from a bad decision. To make death threats, to say that you wish he'd died from cancer, that almost defies belief. Who are these ****ing idiots? How dare they purport to represent the rest of us and our club? And really, when as a club we are grieving for the senseless loss of so many lives, who goes on a social media platform and wishes suffering and death on a person because he might have made an error of judgement? Jesus, words fail me.

              Anyway, rant over.
              There is no doubt that his poor decisions cost us 1 or maybe even 3 points but no matter how bad the referring was the amount of abuse he was put through as result of that is disgusting.

              That type of behaviour can never be justified.
              Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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                #8
                Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                Bans should be longer than a season

                Personally I wouldnt be too unhappy with permanent bans or minimum 5 years

                There has to be a real deterrant and the clubs have to do more about it

                It really does make me wonder about the people running the club

                They should definitely be more proactive on this as from a PR stand point alone it would be hugely beneficial to the business

                It would show that you are cleaning house with a nod towards the integrity of the club
                Bans should be permanent.

                Those chants have no place at football stadiums nor in general and any "fans" that do that must be punished in the highest possible way and banning them from watching their "beloved" clubs on a permanent basis would be a good start.
                Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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                  #9
                  If you were the owner of this, or any club, and a small group of your own fans brought more negative attention on your club would you sit back and say nothing? Or would you ban them for life? Surely you wouldn't want to be taking money from them for a seat that a genuine fan could use?
                  That's what they should do and it should be done publicly. As has been said, show up the Mancs for the lip service they really showed. Police ourselves and take a moral stand, regardless of what other clubs do or the "rules" say.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mostar View Post
                    Bans should be permanent.

                    Those chants have no place at football stadiums nor in general and any "fans" that do that must be punished in the highest possible way and banning them from watching their "beloved" clubs on a permanent basis would be a good start.
                    Agreed

                    To be honest I'm a bit sick of all the pontificating by LFC and United

                    They ask for calm and sensible behaviour yet when there is the inevitable chant / animosity that occurs they quickly wheel out the excuses "its only a minority of fans" etc...

                    To be honest thats not good enough, its time for less words and more action

                    LFC should be at the forefront of any campaign to rid our stadia of this sort of nonsense. If we cant clean our own house up then we have little or no reason to point the finger at others

                    The last few weeks have been an excellent opportunity for the club to grab the bull by the horns and really stamp their authority on this

                    But all we get is words

                    Not good enough and sadly it is once again another opportunity missed
                    Last edited by Lecter; 25-09-12, 01:17 PM.
                    Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by paulg View Post
                      If you were the owner of this, or any club, and a small group of your own fans brought more negative attention on your club would you sit back and say nothing? Or would you ban them for life? Surely you wouldn't want to be taking money from them for a seat that a genuine fan could use?
                      That's what they should do and it should be done publicly. As has been said, show up the Mancs for the lip service they really showed. Police ourselves and take a moral stand, regardless of what other clubs do or the "rules" say.
                      Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                        #12
                        With the FA dithering over Terry and ignoring player behaviour as a club issue or whatever, they are hardly showing anyone else the way to behave.

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                          #13
                          This is why the clubs should take action and we should be at the forefront of this

                          We've really missed a fantastic window of opportunity on this imo

                          The lack of foresight at board level in our club is astonishing
                          Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lecter View Post
                            Bans should be longer than a season

                            Personally I wouldnt be too unhappy with permanent bans or minimum 5 years
                            Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
                            Definitely. No ban is too severe on people who are prepared to mock the dead and bereaved.
                            Originally posted by Mostar View Post
                            Bans should be permanent.
                            Originally posted by paulg View Post
                            That's what they should do and it should be done publicly.
                            I originally wrote that it should be a life ban, and then when I reread it before posting I toned it down as I thought it might sound excessive. Actually, I should have left it as it was as I'm all for a lifetime ban for idiots like that, and I'm clearly not alone in that.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by James P View Post
                              I originally wrote that it should be a life ban, and then when I reread it before posting I toned it down as I thought it might sound excessive. Actually, I should have left it as it was as I'm all for a lifetime ban for idiots like that, and I'm clearly not alone in that.
                              If you're talking about Fredo, I'm in.

                              I don't think it was three steps back, just two. No progress to last beyond this match, except that Man United have spun the media, particularly the BBC, so they avoid the backlash that would have followed too overt a display of provocation.

                              On the plus side hostilities were muted for this game and the tribute survived more or less intact.
                              .
                              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                              May the Lord bless this post.

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