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[Lecter]

... instantly

he's doing it now. we're no heavyweights anymore, if H&G didnt manage to actually bankrupt us, D & C were a pretty bad aftershock. We've blooded youth prospects and have changed to a deliberate, controlled passing style. we can even control the ball a lot better. something we've been woefully weak at for about 15 years.

expecting all of the above instantly was pretty unrealistic and you were always set for disappointment if that's the case. if he wasnt playing the youngsters or changing how the team plays then sure, give us a 442 and make us defensively solid. but he's trying to build something better than that. there's bigger picture here and taking us in that direction from where we were is more difficult.

I think people are exaggeratting my expectation levels

I'm not expecting a title charge and even getting into 4th would exceed my expectations

However I would expect us to start better than we have

[Mattshark]

Unfortunately though it pains me to say it, Commoli and Kenny set us back more than Roy due to wasting all that money.

I really don't get the negativity around here, 3 wins on the bounce through a tough fixture list, our only loss since September in the league was the Spurs game that we fully deserved to win. We're clearly improving as the form table shows.

It's hard not surmise that some folks are desperate to see Rodgers fail because they didn't want him appointed in the first place.

[Neil Young]

Agree with all of this

In addition despite FSG making some good decisions in some areas of the business they have also made catastrophic errors in others

They've made some bad decisions as well as some good ones. "Catastrophic" seems OTT to me.

That is true, but they can't be blamed for last seasons debacle.

No. But I don't see it as the major issue. It has added to the long term problems but we won a cup so it wasn't all bad.

I think Lecter is guilty of being a little short-termist about Rodgers, although of course there's no guarantee he'll succeed as we like, and I think it's fair to have reservations at this stage.

But equally we can't just concentrate on the long run and Dalglish's record needs to be evaluated on what he achieved while in charge as well as where he left the club for his successor.

[Lecter]

Like Kenny last year? You were asking for patience I remember. It's a bit rich of you to come after a good win and make statements such as you did.

Its almost as rich as calling someone ludicrous whilst at the same time trying to compare Allen to Xavi/Busquets

[Tee]

Of course BR needs time and he will get it hopefully. But it is slightly worrying the way we have been set up and exposed in games. Yes he is quick to try and change things but we need to be tougher to play against than we are, it just looks too easy right now.

And there is concern, especially when we have wasted so much money in the Summer 2011 window, that we are again overspending on players or targetting the same level of dross.

[Lecter]

They've made some bad decisions as well as some good ones. "Catastrophic" seems OTT to me.


No. But I don't see it as the major issue. It has added to the long term problems but we won a cup so it wasn't all bad.

I think Lecter is guilty of being a little short-termist about Rodgers, although of course there's no guarantee he'll succeed as we like, and I think it's fair to have reservations at this stage.

But equally we can't just concentrate on the long run and Dalglish's record needs to be evaluated on what he achieved while in charge as well as where he left the club for his successor.

Well the Comolli and Dalglish appointments werent great on reflection

Neither was trusting them with millions and allowing them free rein

Maybe catastrophic is too strong but their decision making isnt great and the worrying thing is that it didnt just end with Comolli & Dalglish as the subsequent appointment of their PR guru showed

[Fredo]

Its almost as rich as calling someone ludicrous whilst at the same time trying to compare Allen to Xavi/Busquets

I wasn't comparing their abilities. You're dishonest Lecter and I thought better of you to be frank with you.

[~LFCHistory~]

You have no idea how we will improve

All this depends on who we sign

Secondly I dont want Rodgers sacked but that doesnt mean I agree with everything he has done and is doing

The next poor result??

We won and I'm still critical of how the team performed and was set up

We have improved. Facht.

We're 5th in the form table and 4 points off 4th place after our worst start to a season in PL history.

We conceded 12 goals in our first 6 league games but we've conceded 8 in our last 10 league games. Is that progress Lec ??

We also came from behind to win yesterday, did that happen last season in the league at any time when your hero was in charge ? I can't recall that happening.

[~LFCHistory~]

Agree with all of this

In addition despite FSG making some good decisions in some areas of the business they have also made catastrophic errors in others

Yeah and top of the list is hiring your hero to be our manager. Catastrophic.

[James P]

Well the Comolli and Dalglish appointments werent great on reflection

Neither was trusting them with millions and allowing them free rein

Maybe catastrophic is too strong but their decision making isnt great and the worrying thing is that it didnt just end with Comolli & Dalglish as the subsequent appointment of their PR guru showed

So the biggest things we can criticise them for are appointing an LFC legend and former highly successful manager, who'd done a fantastic interim job post-Bodge, backing that manager fully in rebuilding the team, and not having the gift of hindsight and realising that the whole thing would turn into a cluster****.

Oh, and appointing a rubbish head of PR who they quickly sacked when it became apparent that he was a dick.

You're right, FSG are a joke and they should leave now. By the same token, are you going to leave EST because you thought that Kenny would work out too?

[Lecter]

I wasn't comparing their abilities. You're dishonest Lecter and I thought better of you to be frank with you.

I'm not dishonest

It was your words that stated on more than one occasion that if Allen was wearing a Xavi/Busquet mask/shirt that people would be cheering/lauding him

I'm not misrepresenting anything you have written

If you had stated they play a similar role and left it at that you'd have a case for saying I'm misrepresenting you but you didnt you carried on

You've even tried it on this thread

If Allen had 'Xavi' or 'Busquets' on the back of his shirt, he would have been immune to any criticism

Gerrard hasnt been immune to criticism just because hes Steven Gerrard and equally if Xavi or Busquets performed to the level of Allen they would be heavily criticised also because their level would have clearly dropped!!!!!

[ronanm]

Big clubs shouldn't have periods of rebuilding/transtion. Continuity - yes. Thanks to H&G for this shambles.

[~LFCHistory~]

You're right, FSG are a joke and they should leave now. By the same token, are you going to leave EST because you thought that Kenny would work out too?

He also thought Carroll would work out and that Charlie Adam was Liverpool quality.

[Lecter]

We have improved. Facht.

We're 5th in the form table and 4 points off 4th place after our worst start to a season in PL history.

We conceded 12 goals in our first 6 league games but we've conceded 8 in our last 10 league games. Is that progress Lec ??

We also came from behind to win yesterday, did that happen last season in the league at any time when your hero was in charge ? I can't recall that happening.

You could also say we have conceeded 4 in the last 3 league games is that progress

No Kenny didnt get his side to come back from a losing position

[Baracus]

Big clubs shouldn't have periods of rebuilding/transtion. Continuity - yes. Thanks to H&G for this shambles.

If you could pin point one point at which everything fell apart (based on media reports and what people have said since) I would disagree.

That point would be when Rafa decided to take his arse to Broughton and ask for Purslow to be Sacked. He opened his mouth once to often and on that ocassion the result is what we have now.

We had some sort of continuity and a plan to get rid of H&G ( RBS brought in Broughton to oversee the sale of the club, maintain everything else)