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[Mostar]

I can see Weimann playing a blinder and scoring in this - seeing as we're being linked to him in the summer...

..then watch us buy him and he turns out to be like Michael Thomas...

We will pay much closer attention to him and Benteke especially coz we failed to do that at Anfield and we got punished for it.

Lucas in particular will have a huge part to play in breaking their play and if he is successful in doing so we should be able to stop those 2.

[Tribute]

We will pay much closer attention to him and Benteke especially coz we failed to do that at Anfield and we got punished for it.

Lucas in particular will have a huge part to play in breaking their play and if he is successful in doing so we should be able to stop those 2.

..I hope so. Nothing worse than seeing a couple of half decent opposition players look like Messi and Ronaldo against us... and by our own hand

[Mostar]

..I hope so. Nothing worse than seeing a couple of half decent opposition players look like Messi and Ronaldo against us... and by our own hand

I know

[Norbs]

Michael Thomas was once touted as 'signing of the season' after renewing his contract. He wasn't a bad player for us by any stretch of the imagination

[frank the tank]

i think people sometimes get mixed up between M Thomas and M Walters...... Thomas was a solid player.....

I know what the OP meant though - there seems to be some players that play brilliantly for other clubs (and a lot of the time against us for them) only for us to sign them and be toilet....

- Carroll
- Downing
- Kewell
- Xavier
- Barmby
- Leonhardsen
- Babb

[baitman]

i think people sometimes get mixed up between M Thomas and M Walters...... Thomas was a solid player.....

I know what the OP meant though - there seems to be some players that play brilliantly for other clubs (and a lot of the time against us for them) only for us to sign them and be toilet....

- Carroll
- Downing
- Kewell
- Xavier
- Barmby
- Leonhardsen
- Babb

imho its down to our lazy scouting. we have always fancied players once they have played against us and look tasty. maybe someone like carroll, adam or downing would have the game of his life, then someone would go away and check out his youtube highlights...

[Arn]

imho its down to our lazy scouting. we have always fancied players once they have played against us and look tasty. maybe someone like carroll, adam or downing would have the game of his life, then someone would go away and check out his youtube highlights...

I think it is down to having an owner that more or less didn't had a clue how to use a computer.

Gillett and Hicks was very very bad owners but Moores is the big reason to why we don't play in a 60k+ stadium and don't dominate the league together with United.

How much money did we miss out on because of Moores? Impossible to say but I wouldn't be surprised if it is more than half a billion.

[Muddled]

I think it is down to having an owner that more or less didn't had a clue how to use a computer.

Gillett and Hicks was very very bad owners but Moores is the big reason to why we don't play in a 60k+ stadium and don't dominate the league together with United.

How much money did we miss out on because of Moores? Impossible to say but I wouldn't be surprised if it is more than half a billion.

Whilst Moores didn't cover himself in glory with the sale of the club, he was Liverpool through and through. To say 'Gillett and Hicks were very, very bad owners, *but* Moores is the big reason ...' is just a tad harsh.

Moores wanted that 60k stadium and Moores wanted us to dominate the league. The only way he could see that happening was selling his beloved Liverpool to allow that to happen. The lack of due dilligence is concerning, but Moores felt he was doing the right thing ... it's Gillett and Hicks that ****ed us over, more-so than Moores.

I would be interested to understand how you came to £500 million?

[Exiled_red]

Whilst Moores didn't cover himself in glory with the sale of the club, he was Liverpool through and through. To say 'Gillett and Hicks were very, very bad owners, *but* Moores is the big reason ...' is just a tad harsh.

Moores wanted that 60k stadium and Moores wanted us to dominate the league. The only way he could see that happening was selling his beloved Liverpool to allow that to happen. The lack of due dilligence is concerning, but Moores felt he was doing the right thing ... it's Gillett and Hicks that ****ed us over, more-so than Moores.

I would be interested to understand how you came to £500 million?

I think the issue with Moores wasn't just the selling of the club, but the lack of vision throughout his ownership, i.e. the lack of progress on a new ground, the fact that we didn't market ourselves well and the commercial side of the club being run so badly.

I think in terms of providing transfer funds he did as much as he could we the money we had available, but he didn't follow the lead of other clubs in bringing in more money through sponsorship deals or through promoting the club in the expanding markets etc.

[Muddled]

I think the issue with Moores wasn't just the selling of the club, but the lack of vision throughout his ownership, i.e. the lack of progress on a new ground, the fact that we didn't market ourselves well and the commercial side of the club being run so badly.

I think in terms of providing transfer funds he did as much as he could we the money we had available, but he didn't follow the lead of other clubs in bringing in more money through sponsorship deals or through promoting the club in the expanding markets etc.

I agree to a certain extent. Moores' tenure certainly wasn't without fault, but I do find the vitriol (not from Arn I should add - but in general) directed at Moores quite sad.

Moores did stutter as the Premier League was introduced and we certainly operated with nostalgia ... but I think Moores did address this - he sacked Souness, the first LFC manager to be sacked in decades and he looked to Rick Parry to help commercialise the club. Moores recognised his faults and looked to bridge the gaps, it was just unfortunate that he was naive, perhaps from inheriting success rather than learning it. Moores recognised his weaknesses, he was just too slow in rectifying them.

He gave as much money as he could to try and keep us competitive and believed he was doing the right thing for the club by selling it on. With hindsight, he ballsed that up on a grand scale.

[Exiled_red]

I agree to a certain extent. Moores' tenure certainly wasn't without fault, but I do find the vitriol (not from Arn I should add - but in general) directed at Moores quite sad.

Moores did stutter as the Premier League was introduced and we certainly operated with nostalgia ... but I think Moores did address this - he sacked Souness, the first LFC manager to be sacked in decades and he looked to Rick Parry to help commercialise the club. Moores recognised his faults and looked to bridge the gaps, it was just unfortunate that he was naive, perhaps from inheriting success rather than learning it. Moores recognised his weaknesses, he was just too slow in rectifying them.

He gave as much money as he could to try and keep us competitive and believed he was doing the right thing for the club by selling it on. With hindsight, he ballsed that up on a grand scale.

Moores wasn't a bad owner, I think alot of the critisism of him has been over the top. I just think of him as and old fashioned guy who couldn't keep up with the modern world, and while I know that what he did was what he believed was in the best interests of the club. I think that it was that era that lead to us being so far behind the other big clubs. The Hicks and Gillett era made things worse, but we had already fallen behind the other clubs in alot of aspects. For me though most of the blame for this time doesn't lie with Moores but with the people he appointed to address these issues i.e. Rick Parry.

[Tee]

Moores had the right intentions up until a day before he sold the club. If only he had googled those cunts.

[Muddled]

Moores wasn't a bad owner, I think alot of the critisism of him has been over the top. I just think of him as and old fashioned guy who couldn't keep up with the modern world, and while I know that what he did was what he believed was in the best interests of the club. I think that it was that era that lead to us being so far behind the other big clubs. The Hicks and Gillett era made things worse, but we had already fallen behind the other clubs in alot of aspects. For me though most of the blame for this time doesn't lie with Moores but with the people he appointed to address these issues i.e. Rick Parry.

Agreed.

He just turned to the wrong people when he sought a solution.

[Arn]

Agreed.

He just turned to the wrong people when he sought a solution.

Well, it was his job to find the right people. Parry should have been sacked but Moores didn't had the heart to do it. The club suffered big time because of that. He put Parry before the club. In that case Parry was bigger than the club.

It was his job to find the right CEO that could build up the club. He didn't care by the look of it. He left Parry in charge of everything.

Parry didn't get in the right people helping him out and should have been sacked because of that but as I said, Moores didn't had the heart to sack his friend Parry.

That is the main reason to our current situation miles behind Man U.

[Muddled]

Well, it was his job to find the right people. Parry should have been sacked but Moores didn't had the heart to do it. The club suffered big time because of that. He put Parry before the club. In that case Parry was bigger than the club.

It was his job to find the right CEO that could build up the club. He didn't care by the look of it. He left Parry in charge of everything.

Parry didn't get in the right people helping him out and should have been sacked because of that but as I said, Moores didn't had the heart to sack his friend Parry.

That is the main reason to our current situation miles behind Man U.

Is everybody bigger than the club?

I'll come back to this after I stop laughing.

EDIT I: So, Moores who sacked Souness - the first LFC manager to be sacked in 38 years - didn't have the heart to make tough decisions for the benefit of the club? I think he let his heart rule his head on many occasion and when his heart *AND* head didn't have a clue, he turned to the wrong people.

EDIT II: Gerrard, Moores and Rafa are bigger than LFC, is there any body else?

EDIT III: How did you get to the figure of £500 million?