Squad Depth

[The_weatherman]

also

between now and arsenal

they play 4 games - Norwich/Dortmund home, palace away and then they have Chelsea at home in the fourth round of league cup, four days before us.

What a difference it makes, not being involved in Europe or the league cup. It could really make a difference for us in december and in the second half of the season. Although Arsenal do have a big squad...

[PTP]

december is a crazy month for us -

that month will determine where finish/how we do.

if we come out of that and into the new year in a decent position we will go on and really be in the mix for top 4

it looks like there is another international break at the end of November??

then 8 games in 32 days!!!

December 2013

Premier League
Hull v Liverpool Sun 1 Dec 14:05

Premier League
Liverpool v Norwich Wed 4 Dec 19:45

Premier League
Liverpool v West Ham Sat 7 Dec 15:00

Premier League
Tottenham v Liverpool Sun 15 Dec 16:00

Premier League
Liverpool v Cardiff Sat 21 Dec 15:00

Premier League
Man City v Liverpool Thu 26 Dec 15:00

Premier League
Chelsea v Liverpool Sat 28 Dec 15:00

January 2014

Premier League
Liverpool v Hull Wed 1 Jan 15:00


3 really tough fixtures out of the 8 -

if we come away with 4 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses - 15 points - i'll be quietly pleased especially if we can pick up another minimum 10 points from the next 5 games.



i know it's thinking quiet far ahead, which is why i am not looking at individual results too much but i'd say it's a realistic and achievable target to be

After Jan 1st

P 20 - W 12 - D 4 - L 4 = Total 40pts

i'd personally be quietly happy with that, looking at how tough december could be. Anything better would be a big bonus.

[Fosterbloke]

Holy crap that's a lot of late nights but I'm tingling with excitement!

40 points from 20 games wouldn't be bad at all. Where we last season after 20 games?

[PTP]

god knows - need a geek to work that out for us

but it can't be anywhere near 40 points

40 points, with 18 games left and one hell of a tough December out the way, providing no major injury concerns, and then add one or two in January, i'd be pretty excited

[pondus]

28 Points after 20 games after a quick count

Can't be right can it?!

[PTP]

could be - weren't we like 10 points after about 15 games

[PTP]

28 Points after 20 games after a quick count

Can't be right can it?!

26 i get it at

[PTP]

7 wins
7 draws
6 losses

no i was wrong, 28 points from 20 games last season

[Fosterbloke]

7 wins
7 draws
6 losses

no i was wrong, 28 points from 20 games last season

So we have 13 games to get 12 points to equal that points total

I think we'll do a lot better than that though!

[PTP]

13 games

looking at the results from last year - the big issue for us was the number of games drawn.

I am not expecting us to win every week - we will lose games, in this league, it looks like every team can pull of an upset

what is important is that we turn the number of draws we had last season into wins - 13 draws last season!!! if we can turn half of those draws into wins we'd have been much stronger.


i think overall, 72 points or more is a very realistic and achievable target and i'd be quietly happy as i feel at present, with teams taking points from each other all over the place, 72 points or more would show real progress and would hopefully sneak us in for 4th

[BigChief]

december is a crazy month for us -

that month will determine where finish/how we do.

if we come out of that and into the new year in a decent position we will go on and really be in the mix for top 4

it looks like there is another international break at the end of November??

then 8 games in 32 days!!!

Hull v Liverpool Sun 1 Dec 14:05
Liverpool v Norwich Wed 4 Dec 19:45
Liverpool v West Ham Sat 7 Dec 15:00
Tottenham v Liverpool Sun 15 Dec 16:00
Liverpool v Cardiff Sat 21 Dec 15:00
Man City v Liverpool Thu 26 Dec 15:00
Chelsea v Liverpool Sat 28 Dec 15:00
Liverpool v Hull Wed 1 Jan 15:00

If we come away with 4 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses - 15 points after Jan 1st

P 20 - W 12 - D 4 - L 4 = Total 40pts

i'd personally be quietly happy with that, looking at how tough december could be. Anything better would be a big bonus.

Our absolute worse case scenario above should be 3 wins minimum (Hull both times and Norwich at home with Suarez). Assuming we lose the three big games and draw the rest through tiredness I have us down as: 3 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses.

That still equates to 37 points and I'd be well happy with that. Secretly, with Coutinho and Johnson back, I'm hoping for a lot more but dampening the excitement for now.

Edit: December could have been much tougher had the big games been surrounded by the likes of Southampton and WBA. But thankfully its the Hulls and Norwichs.

[PTP]

Our absolute worse case scenario above should be 3 wins minimum (Hull both times and Norwich at home with Suarez). Assuming we lose the three big games and draw the rest through tiredness I have us down as: 3 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses.

That still equates to 37 points and I'd be well happy with that. Secretly, with Coutinho and Johnson back, I'm hoping for a lot more but dampening the excitement for now.

yeah i'd agree with that

i'd really be expecting four wins though - at least two wins from the three out Cardiff, Norwich and West Ham at home and the two hull games..

they are must win imo - thats minimum 12 points

and then a couple of draws in those three tough games would be great.

[calvoboy]

I'd put money on Hull taking at least two points off us, Fat Head Bruce always seems to manage to frustrate us, right back to when he was Huddersfield manager and gave us a tough game in the cup. I'd still expect us to pick up three or four wins out of that lot, though it's always dangerous to start looking at games and think they are easy.

[The_weatherman]

I'd put money on Hull taking at least two points off us, Fat Head Bruce always seems to manage to frustrate us, right back to when he was Huddersfield manager and gave us a tough game in the cup. I'd still expect us to pick up three or four wins out of that lot, though it's always dangerous to start looking at games and think they are easy.

I hope we learnt our lesson against Southampton at home. Liverpool have earn every three points and any team is capable of scoring against us, like shown against Palace.

If we get the mental aspect right I think we'll be OK for top four even.

[BigChief]

I know people like using Southampton as an example, but its not a good one. They are 4the position not out of luck but merit. The management and the squad are continental and quite intelligent. They are nothing like Hull.

Not to say, like I did before Crystal Palace, that each team doesn't deserve due respect. But some teams require less fear.