Southampton Post Match

[CAD]

They are Eminem lyrics

[dom9]

It says " I think is fact"

You can stop reading if you want to. I'm hoping that Lecter or DWW or posters like that will supply some input

I'm trying to have a debate rather than another session of ridicule.

I have no idea what you are saying or what your actual point about the Gerrard goals is. You dont think someone else could have scored on the penalties? what is your point? You dont think that the about 50 freekicks and 100 corners taken by Gerrard would translate into goals if someone else kicked them?

The thing about facts is that they're indisputable. If you think something might be a fact, then it's at best a hypothesis. More often (on here at least) an opinion.

If you hypothesise something, the best way to prove it is to try and disprove it. If disproving the hypothesis is not possible then you've most probably got a fact on your hands. Or a robust theory. Dww, the scientist would tell you that.

Now, your sentence said "We will miss the goals from SG". All the evidence to date suggests that this simply isn't the case. The rest of team scored over 90 goals. Even the great teams of 70s and 80s struggled to score that many goals. So my opinion is that we do not miss SG's goals based on last season's evidence. If you were to make the same point about Suarez, then you might have a case. But we have the future in which to find that one out.

Is that better?

[RedReet]

The thing about facts is that they're indisputable. If you think something might be a fact, then it's at best a hypothesis. More often (on here at least) an opinion.

If you hypothesise something, the best way to prove it is to try and disprove it. If disproving the hypothesis is not possible then you've most probably got a fact on your hands. Or a robust theory. Dww, the scientist would tell you that.

Now, your sentence said "We will miss the goals from SG". All the evidence to date suggests that this simply isn't the case. The rest of team scored over 90 goals. Even the great teams of 70s and 80s struggled to score that many goals. So my opinion is that we do not miss SG's goals based on last season's evidence. If you were to make the same point about Suarez, then you might have a case. But we have the future in which to find that one out.

Is that better?

I think that was his point.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

[CAD]

The thing about facts is that they're indisputable. If you think something might be a fact, then it's at best a hypothesis. More often (on here at least) an opinion.

If you hypothesise something, the best way to prove it is to try and disprove it. If disproving the hypothesis is not possible then you've most probably got a fact on your hands. Or a robust theory. Dww, the scientist would tell you that.

Now, your sentence said "We will miss the goals from SG". All the evidence to date suggests that this simply isn't the case. The rest of team scored over 90 goals. Even the great teams of 70s and 80s struggled to score that many goals. So my opinion is that we do not miss SG's goals based on last season's evidence. If you were to make the same point about Suarez, then you might have a case. But we have the future in which to find that one out.

Is that better?

The goals that SG provides and the assists we get from him would come regardsless if someone else kicked the ball. Maybe to a lesser extend but they would come - agree? Someone would surely score on penalties, maybe not 10 of 11 but to some extend - agree?

PS: I think that losing Suarez and 31 goals, 12 assists and 7 penalties won will CERTAINLY leave us needing all the goals we can get this season. That's 7 of Gerrards goals gone right there to start with btw!

You seem like an intelligent guy. I think it's a shame we are wasting time talking about this point instead of the other points I made or tried to put up for discussion. Would be more interesting - I think...

Same goes for Pablo81.

[dom9]

I think that was his point.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Ah. In that case.

Sorry CAD.

[CAD]

Ah. In that case.

Sorry CAD.

Ahh, no worries. I think the debate part is much more interesting tbh.

[Chris]

Someone else would get those assists from corners and freekicks.

Yeah anyone could do that easily enough. Heres a list below of all those players that had equal or more assists than him last season, proving how easy it is to just knock in a corner or free kick :

[CAD]

I think that was his point.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

and then some...

[RichC]

The thing is here your opinion on Gerrard is clearly in the minority, now I'd agree he's not quite the player he once was BUT the levels he set back then were outrageously high and even now he's still one of the top players in the PL. His peers in the game believe so, the manager of Liverpool believes so and his performances for most part of last season back that theory up.

Gerrard doesn't have too many more seasons at the top and we need to and I believe are planning for the future without him playing game after game for us but at present he will and rightly still be one of the first names on the team sheet when fit.

[CAD]

Yeah anyone could do that easily enough. Heres a list below of all those players that had equal or more assists than him last season, proving how easy it is to just knock in a corner or free kick :

So your argument is that he adds so much offensively that it more than covers the hole he leaves defensively? Correct?

[Red_Polo]

So your argument is that he adds so much offensively that it more than covers the hole he leaves defensively? Correct?

I think his argument was simply that the statement of yours he quoted was wrong. Trying to draw that into the wider debate is putting words in his mouth. He might think that, but he hasn't said it yet!

[CAD]

The thing is here your opinion on Gerrard is clearly in the minority, now I'd agree he's not quite the player he once was BUT the levels he set back then were outrageously high and even now he's still one of the top players in the PL. His peers in the game believe so, the manager of Liverpool believes so and his performances for most part of last season back that theory up.

Gerrard doesn't have too many more seasons at the top and we need to and I believe are planning for the future without him playing game after game for us but at present he will and rightly still be one of the first names on the team sheet when fit.

I hear you and I think that the Legend and the respect he commands gets in the way of really hard criticism. Just as it has on the national side. The performance he brought to the field against Saints was on par with Lucas. NO better no worse. Still Lucas gets all the abuse. Says a lot?

My opinion about dropping Gerrard on the attacking midfield was in more than minority 3 years ago. Still it was spot on. He brought us too little on the final 1/3 and moving him back to DM completely transformed our attack - for the better I might add.

You will rarely (if ever) find the correct and progressive answer in the mainstream, so I don't really worry too much about that.

I think Brendan Rodgers said that Gerrard was even more important off the pitch and I think that is spot on.

I agree he has to be playing when fit. Maybe for different reasons but I agree.

The questions is what we can do to accommodate him and still get the cover the back 4 needs so desperately.

[Chris]

So your argument is that he adds so much offensively that it more than covers the hole he leaves defensively? Correct?

My argument was that your point was a load of rubbish. Complete made up nonsense. If it's so easy to deliver a good set piece how come no one even equalled him in assists let alone beat him? Theres far bigger teams than us in the league too to knock headers in from set plays.

And yes I'm not too bothered if he costs us a few goals by being ****, slow, a declined legend, a player we cant finish top 4 with or whatever other crap you want to say about him. The facts (as you like to talk about) are that he's still one of the most productive central midfielders in world football. And he's nowhere near as bad defensively as you make out anyway.

[CAD]

I think his argument was simply that the statement of yours he quoted was wrong. Trying to draw that into the wider debate is putting words in his mouth. He might think that, but he hasn't said it yet!

SG serves better freekicks than most. It's the one thing we will really miss when he retires. It's still not the issue at hand imho.

[dizzycat]

I think winning a match where Brendon was having one of his brain farts is a positive. Regarding Gerrard, I think it's up to the other players to step up and take his position. I've not seen any one doing that yet, but if a couple carry on improving this season, I think we'll be having a serious discussion about him next year.