Does Rodgers deserve another season?

[Maxiedge]

Yes,

He deserves another chance to turn things around. I am absolutely certain he/we will have learnt from past mistakes especially in the transfer market and he knows the pressure will be on him to get it right.

I don't see the point of getting rid of him now as it will only serve to cause the club to be even more unstable. I know many fans are disillusioned but give him another shot.

There's been mistakes in the transfer market 3 seasons in a row now. Last summer they should have got it right. Too late now but if I was FSG, I would rip a few heads off

[Darkon]

Pros:

• He took us closer to the Premier League title than we've ever managed.
  
• He plays an attractive style of football. Under Rodgers we've played the best football I've since since Daglish in the late 80s.
• He's young and should improve as a manager.
• He gives youth a chance (something we need as FSG seem unwilling to invest in proven talent).

Cons:

• Defensively we've been very poor under him with little signs of improvement.
• Seems unable to settle on a formation and plays players out of position.
• He's never won anything as a manager.
• He's not Klopp.

I do think he's just about earned another season under hopefully a better structure (mess of a transfer committee etc.).

Other than Klopp (is he realistic?) I don't see anyone I would be certain would be a success.

If Klopp then switch else stick

I think those two highlighted are interesting together. The first ~half of this season we were poor defensively, but we have tightened up a lot in the second half. I think he's proven by the first half of 2015 that he can produce a pretty tight defense, but it's been at the expense of the pro you mention. We don't really play that exciting right now, we don't get the people in and around the box as quick as before but we conceed a lot less.

I mean Mignolet is jumping up the player of the season table, and he's got the second most clean sheets now in the league on par with Courtois but played 3 more games. 3rd is Joe Hart playing 2 more games than Mignolet.

We do seem to have a problem finding the right balance between the two, and have had that problem for 2 seasons now for a set of different reasons. Which coincidently touches upon one of your other cons, and that's the change of formation/style - finding the proper balance have been Rodgers biggest challenge so far, and he really needs to get it right next season or I think it will be his defining problem as a manager (at least for his time here).

[spanky]

As a few people have mentioned i think you could have Guardiola in charge but he'd still fail because the clubs setup seems totally messed up. A long term structure with a DoF in charge, better coaches and a far larger group of scouts in every corner of the world. We need to be wringing out every advantage we can as we've got 3/4 of the riches clubs in the world in the PL competing for only 4 CL spots.
I think the TAW lads discussed that we have a relative limit resources so we need to be near perfect in how we do things and how we bring players in, that's the real challenge.

[dww]

I think those two highlighted are interesting together. The first ~half of this season we were poor defensively, but we have tightened up a lot in the second half. I think he's proven by the first half of 2015 that he can produce a pretty tight defense, but it's been at the expense of the pro you mention. We don't really play that exciting right now, we don't get the people in and around the box as quick as before but we conceed a lot less.

I mean Mignolet is jumping up the player of the season table, and he's got the second most clean sheets now in the league on par with Courtois but played 3 more games. 3rd is Joe Hart playing 2 more games than Mignolet.

We do seem to have a problem finding the right balance between the two, and have had that problem for 2 seasons now for a set of different reasons.

A big problem appears to be personnel. We seem to have only one defender that Rodgers trusts (Skrtel). Some of the others clearly aren't worthy of trust but it really doesn't help that players like Sakho appear not to be really rated. It is the biggest question mark against Rodgers IMO.

[Darkon]

A big problem appears to be personnel. We seem to have only one defender that Rodgers trusts (Skrtel). Some of the others clearly aren't worthy of trust but it really doesn't help that players like Sakho appear not to be really rated. It is the biggest question mark against Rodgers IMO.

Didn't Sakho play quite constantly untill his injury?

Rodgers do seem to have a though time finding the right type of player for what he's trying to implement, and I wonder if he really knows exactly what he needs but can't get it, or if he's not really sure what attributes are really needed?

[dww]

Didn't Sakho play quite constantly untill his injury?

Rodgers do seem to have a though time finding the right type of player for what he's trying to implement, and I wonder if he really knows exactly what he needs but can't get it, or if he's not really sure what attributes are really needed?

My impression is that was true after the formation switch but not before. I guess my view could be biased by Sakho's injury record.

[Lecter]

Nah, Suarez was brilliant, so were Sturridge, Coutinho, Sterling, Henderson, Gerrard etc...

As an attacking force we were bloody fantastic, and it wasn't simply just down to Suarez, there were a few others that contributed too.

We havent created anywhere near the chances though this season

Thats my worry, people will obviously point to meaningless stats about chances which in reality just mean long range hit and hope shots but in terms of clear cut chances we are miles behind last season

Yes a goalscorer would improve things but unless he is like Suarez creating his own chances then I dont think it will be enough

[Lecter]

Undecided.

I don't think he *deserves* to be sacked. Not yet. Just got enough credit in the bank and I think he's a thoughtful and progressive coach.

But, as ever, if there's someone better available I'd like us to at least talk to whoever that candidate might be.

It's a very difficult one. Gauging it from social media, forums, fans I've spoken to etc...it seems the tide has really turned.

Look at the voting above, the tide has definitely turned

The thing is when the tide has turned its very difficult to swing it back again

He will be fighting a losing battle from here on in imo

IF he does stay his last season will mirror those of Houllier & Rafa imo, it has an almost inevitability about it

[Lecter]

The sad thing for me is looking at that side on Saturday it looked dreadful, in fact the entire squad looked poor

Barring a handful of players you could write off loads of them

On top of that you have the prospect of not only replacing some of the ****e Brendan has bought (which we will struggle to sell imo), you also have the problem of replacing some ageing players who will be leaving and their departures will generate little or nothing in terms of incoming funds (Gerrard, Johnson, Lambert, Toure, Enrique, Lucas??)

Its a massive job and its almost a complete rebuild required

Thats why I would prefer to get a new coach, if we are to rebuild and to me it looks that way, then we might as well start a whole new project with a clean slate. Otherwise we are allowing Brendan to start the rebuild and 12 months down the line we might again be considering a new manager and a new start once again

Can we afford to be rebuilding / restarting / remodelling 2 seasons on the trot???

IMO no

[Buzzo]

I agree that if Rodgers gets replaces it has to be for a 'top' manager, I think we need someone with 'proper' trophies on the CV (not the ****ing fish fingers cup, or whatever Hodgson used to bang on about). Players will respond to that, potential signings will respond to that. One thing that Brendan lacks is this top level experience, and perhaps the ability to get a team across the line is the most challenging aspect of all. Kenny (though perhaps slightly out of touch managerially) still had the ability to deliver a trophy.

Way too much is made of managerial change though, it can be a change for the better. This whole 5 year cycle bull**** was definitely created by managers or there agents though.

I think that twice now we have fallen at the final hurdle, last year in the search for the league, this, in the quest for both and or either of 4th place (or higher) and the FA cup. Had Brendan delivered even one of these, ****, had he even got us to a Final, then I think he has some leverage - but having failed abjectly on all fronts then questions have to be asked. Put it this way, should he begin the season badly next season I think his position quickly becomes untenable.

Look at the managers who come in and make an immediate change an reinvigorate a stagnant squad of players. It can be done, this positive impetus is what we need the most, and this is what I see absolutely no sign of Rodgers bringing to the table right now. The end of this season has been really bad. There were still things to play for.

[Lecter]

Thats before you start looking at Borini, Balotelli, Lovren who you would definitely want to bin and there are maybe a few others you would want rid of

That coupled with the obvious departures could mean we are having to replace 8 or 9 players

Thats another big turn around of players, its a complete overhaul again

[5europeancups]

I thought that Stevie Gs interview with Gary Lineker was telling.

He was asked which was the best team he had played in. He said that Suarez and Sturridge and Coutinho got us to second last year and that the best team was in fact the team of Rafa with Mascherano / Alonso / Torres.

Interesting.

What has been the major downfall this season of Rodgers is not the fact that Sturridge got injured, it was the fact that he failed to get Balotelli / lambert or Borini to score more than 5 goals combined.

Bearing in mind we do have quite creative players around like Coutihno Sterling etc , this no matter how you look at it is a little damning.

[Fierce]

It's twice we've asked the question seriously this year. B-dawg turned it round briefly with a 'hail Mary' tactical move and a few players filling in out of position but even then there were some dodgy performances (Southampton away springs to mind). I don't recall such an air of defeatism in all my time as a LFC supporter, at least with Roy we were raging with each other. There just seems to be an acceptance now that we are second tier, mediocrity lies down this road. So we need new impetus. Certainly at most other top clubs in Europe he'd be getting sacked now, they wouldn't even give a ****. There feels like a certain inevitability to it here, maybe not summer maybe 10 games in maybe next summer. If I could see even the merest signs of life if say give him more time, but we are flat lining. So, you do it now. I think it takes strong leadership to get rid of a guy who has shown glimpses.

But glimpses aren't enough. Strong leadership means tough decisions, and for that I'd fire him. He needed a strong end to the season, instead we rolled over and got our belly tickled. We've handed Utd 4th without a fight. Unforgivable.

Losing home and away to palace, losing to Hull, losing a semi final to ****ing timmys Villa, being so abject in Europe. Take the emotion out of it and he gets the boot every day off the week.

Anyway, I don't like hearing excuses and I don't believe in going down with out a fight. There has been evidence of both. It's been a roller coaster Brendan, and as a coach you are not without ability.

But, I'm sorry to have to say this.

You're fired.

Hard to disagree with any of this, aside from the underlined sentence. Purely because I think rather than defeatism, it's realism. As big, as rich, as success laden as we are, we are simply unable to compete in terms of resources with the 4 teams above us in the league. So having us 5th, whilst obviously disappointing, isn't accepting mediocrity.



I voted no, he doesn't 'deserve' to go, because of last season. And because I don't know that he hasn't been hamstrung by having to work with someone else's signings

That said, if there is a genuine chance of a top class manager (Ancelotti is the only one that looks 'available') then I think we would absolutely have to consider it. Another season like this one is almost certainly going to lead to Brendan losing his job, and if that top class manager isn't available then?

[Lecter]

What has been the major downfall this season of Rodgers is not the fact that Sturridge got injured, it was the fact that he failed to get Balotelli / lambert or Borini to score more than 5 goals combined.

Bearing in mind we do have quite creative players around like Coutihno Sterling etc , this no matter how you look at it is a little damning.

How many games have those 3 players played this season?? I am not a particular fan of any of them but they have hardly played

I also dont think we have created anywhere near enough clear chances this season. We have had plenty of long range shots but in terms of carving teams apart and missing easy chances, they have not been anywhere near the voume we created last season

[Maxiedge]

This season:

top 4 : failed
Champions League: failed
Carling Cup: failed
FA Cup: failed
big games against rivals: failed (more than any other side)
Summer signings: failed

There's just no redeeming feature about this season

the only thing I could say is that, in some perverse way, he could possibly flip it around 180 with another season