Curtis Jones

[danperkins]

It annoys me somewhat when kids get written off so early. I thought Jones had real talent when he first broke through, but some people dont fully develop physically until 21-22.

Some people are now saying we should sell Elliott now, for whatever reason... a ****ing 18 or 19 year old.

We should always have patience when it comes to youth players. Considering our injury problems, having a Jones, Williams... or even a Nat Phillips can mean the difference between champions league and europa cup, and many tens of millions in lost revenue.

Fair post. Jones and Elliot will get their chance. If they are good enough they will stay and we'll be happy for it, if Klopp sees them as the required standard or fit for the team. If Klopp deems them not good enough then hopefully we can sell for a healthy profit. Win win

[danperkins]

Definitely a good squad option

And don't let the ultra positives shoot you down. This place needs healthy debate... and free speech. The best posters are those that can see two sides and provide objective comment

[Buzzo]

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I didn’t realise we were telling them about the canteen yet?m

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[Sus]

It annoys me somewhat when kids get written off so early. I thought Jones had real talent when he first broke through, but some people dont fully develop physically until 21-22.

Some people are now saying we should sell Elliott now, for whatever reason... a ****ing 18 or 19 year old.

We should always have patience when it comes to youth players. Considering our injury problems, having a Jones, Williams... or even a Nat Phillips can mean the difference between champions league and europa cup, and many tens of millions in lost revenue.

Yes this exactly. We seem to take our own players for granted, I guess because we see so much of them

And especially kids! The early write offs are crazy, not just for the physical development to come, but the increased tactical maturity that comes with experience

Elliott, for example, may not make it for us, but there's no way anyone can make that call now with any confidence

[Rigadon]

It annoys me somewhat when kids get written off so early. I thought Jones had real talent when he first broke through, but some people dont fully develop physically until 21-22.

Some people are now saying we should sell Elliott now, for whatever reason... a ****ing 18 or 19 year old.

We should always have patience when it comes to youth players. Considering our injury problems, having a Jones, Williams... or even a Nat Phillips can mean the difference between champions league and europa cup, and many tens of millions in lost revenue.

Elliott's an interesting one. I like him. He's definitely got talent. He's also been very good before getting injured. I'm just not sure where his best position is. I don't see him as a midfielder or a forward in a 4-3-3. A change in formation, or a more flexible formation, could suit him.

[Rigadon]

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[Rigadon]

I really do think we would. I think we would be saying his name along with the likes of Gravenberch and other young midfielders that have been mentioned as good squad options that have the potential to get a lot better.


And it is not just recent form with Jones. He has tended to show improvement any time he got a run of games and not just last season.

Klopp has a knack of turning good players into very good players, and very good players into excellent players. Will be interesting to see how he turns out IF he's given a run of games in a team that's doing well

[Charly]

It annoys me somewhat when kids get written off so early. I thought Jones had real talent when he first broke through, but some people dont fully develop physically until 21-22.

Some people are now saying we should sell Elliott now, for whatever reason... a ****ing 18 or 19 year old.

We should always have patience when it comes to youth players. Considering our injury problems, having a Jones, Williams... or even a Nat Phillips can mean the difference between champions league and europa cup, and many tens of millions in lost revenue.

[Doc_Piptorious]

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[Rigadon]

He done well towards the end of the season when he got more game time which was great to see. He has had a good tournament for England, as have many of their player but I would certainly not be in the category of "putting him on a list of players we should sign" based on this small sample size. I would put him in the "He's done well recently & lets see what happens" category.

He's young, he has ability, he'll get some game time this season & lets see if he can progress and find the consistency and quality that can make him a main stay in the side. I feel this is another optimism vs realism conversation again, let's not get carried away and just see how he goes. Personally I have no issues with him in the squad but I feel he's only a squad player at the moment with others in that midfield ahead of him in the pecking order.

Also, I feel like I'm going to be called miserable again for this post

Definitely a good squad option

And don't let the ultra positives shoot you down. This place needs healthy debate... and free speech. The best posters are those that can see two sides and provide objective comment

[Doc_Piptorious]

Wouldn't go as far as that but his recent form and progress is really encouraging. The two new additions, Fab, Thiago, Jones and Bajcetic (and Trent?) allows for a strong midfield.

I really do think we would. I think we would be saying his name along with the likes of Gravenberch and other young midfielders that have been mentioned as good squad options that have the potential to get a lot better.


And it is not just recent form with Jones. He has tended to show improvement any time he got a run of games and not just last season.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He done well towards the end of the season when he got more game time which was great to see. He has had a good tournament for England, as have many of their player so but no I would certainly not be "putting him on a list of players we should sign" based on that small sample size.

He's young, he has ability, he'll get some game time this season & lets see if he can progress and find the consistency and quality that can make him a main stay in the side. I feel this is another optimism vs realism conversation again, let's not get carried away and just see how he goes. Personally I have no issues with him in the squad but I feel he's only a squad player at the moment with others in that midfield ahead of him in the pecking order.

Also, I feel like I'm going to be called miserable again for this post

It is not an optimism vs realism conversation at all.

Jones has generally been good and showed improvement whenever he got a run of games. So any optimism about him is based on what he has actually shown on the pitch.

That freak eye injury is the main reason we did not get to see what would have happened if he had been available more often.

But for me if he stays fit he is easily good enough to be the first back up choice for the LCM role or maybe the RCM role. So I think if he was playing for another club and putting in performances like he has, then yes we would be looking at him and saying he is a young player that could come in as first choice cover with maybe the potential to be a starter in time.


Plus we have plenty saying Lavia would be great for us. The same Lavia with an even smaller number of games to judge him on and who is not even getting games on a regular basis for the Belgian under 21s.


Be warned, Jones has just joined Thiago on my "defend to the death against Perkins" list.



Oh just in case nobody says it................. you miserable twunk.

[Rigadon]

Tell you what, if Jones was with some other club and putting in the performances he did for us last season and again this summer for England, we would all be putting him on our lists of players we should sign.

Wouldn't go as far as that but his recent form and progress is really encouraging. The two new additions, Fab, Thiago, Jones and Bajcetic (and Trent?) allows for a strong midfield.

[danperkins]

He done well towards the end of the season when he got more game time which was great to see. He has had a good tournament for England, as have many of their player but I would certainly not be in the category of "putting him on a list of players we should sign" based on this small sample size. I would put him in the "He's done well recently & lets see what happens" category.

He's young, he has ability, he'll get some game time this season & lets see if he can progress and find the consistency and quality that can make him a main stay in the side. I feel this is another optimism vs realism conversation again, let's not get carried away and just see how he goes. Personally I have no issues with him in the squad but I feel he's only a squad player at the moment with others in that midfield ahead of him in the pecking order.

Also, I feel like I'm going to be called miserable again for this post

[Doc_Piptorious]

Tell you what, if Jones was with some other club and putting in the performances he did for us last season and again this summer for England, we would all be putting him on our lists of players we should sign.