Jarell Quansah

[Doc_Piptorious]

I hate Quansah and don't care what gets said. He is crap and I hate puppies and kittens too.


Gonna re edit this post before anyone can quote it. It just felt good to put my true feelings up for a moment.

[Mark79]

But nobody has suggested that he becomes the main guy to do it. Not yet anyway.


But he is, as said in other posts, a damn fine third choice option that is more than capable of being a ball playing CB to a good level as is.


Where I did mention him as being the ball carrying part of a CB pairing was a part of being in a hypothetical pairing with Branthwaite.

[Mark79]

0.99 is not low. Matip was on an average of 1.02 per 90 this season.


A carry does not count as a progressive carry if it ends in the defending 50% of the pitch and it also has to travel a set distance beyond the furthest pass in the sequence of six passes prior to when the carry begins in order to be regarded as being progressive.


If you want their overall figures of carries out from the back full stop and with no carry distance restrictions in play, then Matip made 421 carries last season from 781 mins of play in the PL (not including domestic cups etc) and Qunsah made 894 carries from 1190 mins of PL play.


Quansah carries the ball A LOT.


Quansah and Matip are actually very easy to compare for the season just gone as Quansah put in just over 1100 minutes and Matip put in around 800.

Rather than type them, here are links to their fbref pages and you can see for yourself that they are pretty much neck and neck almost across the board in both defensive and progressive terms. Statisically they are very similar players.



https://fbref.com/en/players/b217ef29/Joel-Matip



https://fbref.com/en/players/4125cb98/Jarell-Quansah

0.99 per 90 is low.

For context ,Matip in previous seasons is 6-9 progressive carries per 90.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Exactly, as you would expect.

But until he really starts doing the other stuff it's seems early to say he can be the one in the defensive partnership that does it.

But nobody has suggested that he becomes the main guy to do it. Not yet anyway.


But he is, as said in other posts, a damn fine third choice option that is more than capable of being a ball playing CB to a good level as is.


Where I did mention him as being the ball carrying part of a CB pairing was a part of being in a hypothetical pairing with Branthwaite.

[Doc_Piptorious]

0.99 per 90 is low!

Matip would have been around 6 or 7 per 90.
I'm surprised Konate is at 1.35, I heard a stats podcast that had him at 4.something. VVD passes rather than carries.

I wasn't questing Quansah's defensive aspects.

0.99 is not low. Matip was on an average of 1.02 per 90 this season.


A carry does not count as a progressive carry if it ends in the defending 50% of the pitch and it also has to travel a set distance beyond the furthest pass in the sequence of six passes prior to when the carry begins in order to be regarded as being progressive.


If you want their overall figures of carries out from the back full stop and with no carry distance restrictions in play, then Matip made 421 carries last season from 781 mins of play in the PL (not including domestic cups etc) and Qunsah made 894 carries from 1190 mins of PL play.


Quansah carries the ball A LOT.


Quansah and Matip are actually very easy to compare for the season just gone as Quansah put in just over 1100 minutes and Matip put in around 800.

Rather than type them, here are links to their fbref pages and you can see for yourself that they are pretty much neck and neck almost across the board in both defensive and progressive terms. Statisically they are very similar players.



https://fbref.com/en/players/b217ef29/Joel-Matip



https://fbref.com/en/players/4125cb98/Jarell-Quansah

[Mark79]

The other thing about those stats are this is his first season there will be an element of easing himself into the side/league at least at first and while doing that there will have been an element of keeping it simple.

Exactly, as you would expect.

But until he really starts doing the other stuff it's seems early to say he can be the one in the defensive partnership that does it.

[Mark79]

I have simply shown that he is already doing the things you did not think he was doing to a high level.


He has shown that he can be the guy doing the passing and carrying of the ball from the back, he has shown he can be the guy doing his share of tackles and winning aerials (he scores very highly on those fronts too and as good or better as most in the league - he is actually ahead of VVD for tackles, interceptions and clearances and very close to him on blocks)


As for saying he has a relatively low number of progressive carries for us, he doesn't. He is at 0.99 per 90. Konate who has one of the highest rates in the league is at 1.35 per 90 and VVD is at 0.85 per 90. So Quansah sits just below Konate but is ahead of VVD for progressive carries.


Simply put the stats back up the eye test when it comes to him.

0.99 per 90 is low!

Matip would have been around 6 or 7 per 90.
I'm surprised Konate is at 1.35, I heard a stats podcast that had him at 4.something. VVD passes rather than carries.

I wasn't questing Quansah's defensive aspects.

[Doc_Piptorious]

The other thing about those stats are this is his first season there will be an element of easing himself into the side/league at least at first and while doing that there will have been an element of keeping it simple.

Exactly, he is very much the junior player in any pairing he has been part of and as such has tended to be the one not tasked with taking the lead/starting triggers at the back.


Taking that into account it makes his performances and stats even more impressive

Also as the least experienced centre back, he would have been targeted more by the other team when he played.


He and Bradley were two massive boosts this season. Both look like they may well save us a lot of money in the transfer market and potentially be great cover/competition for senior players next season.

[Exiled_red]

The other thing about those stats are this is his first season there will be an element of easing himself into the side/league at least at first and while doing that there will have been an element of keeping it simple.

[Doc_Piptorious]

Those overall league percentiles are surely skewed by the playing styles of other teams though?

Most other teams in the PL aren’t asking their CBs to build out from the back like ourselves, City, Brighton, etc. So a relatively low progressive carries (for us) has a comparatively high percentile.

Admittedly his progressive passes appear higher than I’d have given him credit for.

I wasn’t questioning his suitability to be our number 3 (or even better). Just asking if he’s demonstrated that he’s the guy to be the passer and/or carrier of a CB pair, yet.

I have simply shown that he is already doing the things you did not think he was doing to a high level.


He has shown that he can be the guy doing the passing and carrying of the ball from the back, he has shown he can be the guy doing his share of tackles and winning aerials (he scores very highly on those fronts too and as good or better as most in the league - he is actually ahead of VVD for tackles, interceptions and clearances and very close to him on blocks)


As for saying he has a relatively low number of progressive carries for us, he doesn't. He is at 0.99 per 90. Konate who has one of the highest rates in the league is at 1.35 per 90 and VVD is at 0.85 per 90. So Quansah sits just below Konate but is ahead of VVD for progressive carries.


Simply put the stats back up the eye test when it comes to him.

[SB]

I did. But that was with us already in possession in their half with them camped in their third.

I’m talking about bring the ball out defence from the edge of our box, like Matip or Ibou would frequently do.

You wouldn’t want him doing that too often if Trent is supposed to be playing RB.

[dom9]

I need to checkout out that Bristol Rovers thread on him. Think they'll be somewhat surprised.

[Buzzo]

I think Quansah had the shirt on form by the end of the season. Konate was poor when he came back from injury.

Personally I think Quansahs big strength is his ability on the ball. He can definitely pick a pass and I also think when he has the license can step out. He does not have Konate strength but he matches him in all other areas.

Doing it without VVD is the key.

[Mark79]

You are comparing him to the likes of VVD and Konate though.

Compared to the majority of centre backs in the league he does make more progressive carries, he does make more progressive passes, he does have a higher passing completion rate and has a much better take on rate than most.

For the PL.

Passes attempted per 90 mins played - 91 which puts him in the top 3% for the Premier league.

Pass completion per 90 mins - 89.7% puts him in the top 18% for the league

Progressive passes per 90 mins played - 4.72 which puts him in the top 18% in the Premier league.


Progressive carries per 90 mins played - 0.99 which puts him in the top 23% for the entire league


Take on (successful ones) per 90 mins - 0.42 which puts him in the top 13% in the league



So he is already very good at that side of the game and has been racking up the numbers to back that up this season. So plenty to suggest that side of the game is something he does well and that with more experience will improve even further at.


Is he as good as the very best in the league? No not yet, but then again the likes of VVD and Konate were not putting up the numbers they do now when they were 21 either.


What he is now is easily good enough to be our number three CB and more than good enough, as he has shown, to step up to play in the first team when needed.

Those overall league percentiles are surely skewed by the playing styles of other teams though?

Most other teams in the PL aren’t asking their CBs to build out from the back like ourselves, City, Brighton, etc. So a relatively low progressive carries (for us) has a comparatively high percentile.

Admittedly his progressive passes appear higher than I’d have given him credit for.

I wasn’t questioning his suitability to be our number 3 (or even better). Just asking if he’s demonstrated that he’s the guy to be the passer and/or carrier of a CB pair, yet.

[Doc_Piptorious]

He doesn’t carry half as often as Ibou does.

He doesn’t make forward passes with anywhere near the same frequency as VVD (who is consistently very good with it).

That’s not to say that he can’t do either. He may well just be not being asked to at this stage.

You are comparing him to the likes of VVD and Konate though.

Compared to the majority of centre backs in the league he does make more progressive carries, he does make more progressive passes, he does have a higher passing completion rate and has a much better take on rate than most.

For the PL.

Passes attempted per 90 mins played - 91 which puts him in the top 3% for the Premier league.

Pass completion per 90 mins - 89.7% puts him in the top 18% for the league

Progressive passes per 90 mins played - 4.72 which puts him in the top 18% in the Premier league.


Progressive carries per 90 mins played - 0.99 which puts him in the top 23% for the entire league


Take on (successful ones) per 90 mins - 0.42 which puts him in the top 13% in the league



So he is already very good at that side of the game and has been racking up the numbers to back that up this season. So plenty to suggest that side of the game is something he does well and that with more experience will improve even further at.


Is he as good as the very best in the league? No not yet, but then again the likes of VVD and Konate were not putting up the numbers they do now when they were 21 either.


What he is now is easily good enough to be our number three CB and more than good enough, as he has shown, to step up to play in the first team when needed.