Welcome to Liverpool FC, Federico Chiesa Cavaliere

[kingfunk]

Send him on loan to Utd, dreadful signing

Hold on, can he play RB?

[BobTheCharmer]

We're top of two leagues and in all the other competitions. I don't know what the issue is. He's getting his fitness up. With all 6 attackers plus Elliot fit, some will miss out on the bench. You couldn't possibly put chiesa in for jota or nunez right now. We have cup games and Europe to come. He looked decent in his cameo versus Southampton. There's a player there. I just think with salahs form he doesn't really get a look in even at his best. He's part of the squad and he hasn't been required much. Like Nunez not scoring, it doesn't really matter right now. All is good. In fact I doubt even with every place in the squad filled by the world's best we'd be able to top slots results so far. This is simply as good as it ever gets. Relax. No need to give any players grief. Not robbo, not nunez, not quansah nor chiesa.

[fabinho]

Send him on loan to Utd, dreadful signing

[kingfunk]

The acl injury was 3 years ago.
He returned from the injury over 2 years ago.

He made over 30 starts last season for club and Country.
He only missed 5 or 6 games all season.

Played 4 games and 3 starts at Euro 24 in the summer we signed him.

****, never realised he had an extra season between now and being injured… he still looks unconditioned to me and we are obviously working on that, let’s see if he is MIA for the next cup games.

[Irishnev]

Yes but he’s been having his own individual pre season for months now, according to Slot.

He was a regular for Juventus and Italy last season. The step up isn’t that dramatic. It’s not like he’s come from some District Sunday League

Farmer’s League

I was so optimistic when I saw how happy he looked when he signed. I was equally un optimistic from his League Cup performance vs Southampton, he looked so unhappy to have to play in wind and rain

It’s hard to know how this will go, we don’t “need” him and would get our money back from a sales perspective. It felt like a free hit and still does but he needs to buck up and impress in training

[Mark79]

All true but equally he had no pre season, moved to the most intense league in the world and into the most competitive team. Right now he’s not worth a place on the bench, I hope/assume it’s still a fitness thing…. if he’s not involved vs Accrington Stanley then there’s more to this

Yes but he’s been having his own individual pre season for months now, according to Slot.

He was a regular for Juventus and Italy last season. The step up isn’t that dramatic. It’s not like he’s come from some District Sunday League

[Irishnev]

The acl injury was 3 years ago.
He returned from the injury over 2 years ago.

He made over 30 starts last season for club and Country.
He only missed 5 or 6 games all season.

Played 4 games and 3 starts at Euro 24 in the summer we signed him.

All true but equally he had no pre season, moved to the most intense league in the world and into the most competitive team. Right now he’s not worth a place on the bench, I hope/assume it’s still a fitness thing…. if he’s not involved vs Accrington Stanley then there’s more to this

[Mark79]

He is coming back from a massive injury, he hadn’t played football for a long time, some setbacks are expected. It looks to me he needs to build up whole body strength and conditioning, so the timeframe is not surprising. I’d doubt it’s anything more than that. He will play a role in the final third of the season and I’m sure he will still be here next season.

The acl injury was 3 years ago.
He returned from the injury over 2 years ago.

He made over 30 starts last season for club and Country.
He only missed 5 or 6 games all season.

Played 4 games and 3 starts at Euro 24 in the summer we signed him.

[kingfunk]

He is coming back from a massive injury, he hadn’t played football for a long time, some setbacks are expected. It looks to me he needs to build up whole body strength and conditioning, so the timeframe is not surprising. I’d doubt it’s anything more than that. He will play a role in the final third of the season and I’m sure he will still be here next season.

[Exiled_red]

If the whole season ends and we are still here then there are questions over him. We knew he was a fitness project given his past and I didn't expect much from him by now, citing the examples you've given.

No point in bringing him to London if we can get extra sessions into him. We have an unbelievably good forward line and if Elliott is struggling to get back in you can see how an outsider to the league would as well.

That said, I expect him to play against Spurs and Accrington S.

I think that the rehabilitation/fitness process is much longer than most outside of the club were expecting. So I am not really surprised he hasn't played much yet, I would expect him to play more as the season progresses, without becoming a regular. with the hope that he stays injury free and next season can be regularly involved

[Irishnev]

When the squad is this strong and the team in this sort of form you cannot please everyone. It’s an elite environment so something is holding Chiesa back, be it form or fitness or cultural fit. You don’t get minutes because you want them, you get them because you deserve them. These guys will have been dealing with that their entire careers.

Even with the other players we’ve historically given time to bed in (Fabinho, Robbo) by this stage of their first season they were starting to break through.

Exactly this

[labourRed]

When the squad is this strong and the team in this sort of form you cannot please everyone. It’s an elite environment so something is holding Chiesa back, be it form or fitness or cultural fit. You don’t get minutes because you want them, you get them because you deserve them. These guys will have been dealing with that their entire careers.

Even with the other players we’ve historically given time to bed in (Fabinho, Robbo) by this stage of their first season they were starting to break through.

If the whole season ends and we are still here then there are questions over him. We knew he was a fitness project given his past and I didn't expect much from him by now, citing the examples you've given.

No point in bringing him to London if we can get extra sessions into him. We have an unbelievably good forward line and if Elliott is struggling to get back in you can see how an outsider to the league would as well.

That said, I expect him to play against Spurs and Accrington S.

[Buzzo]

When the squad is this strong and the team in this sort of form you cannot please everyone. It’s an elite environment so something is holding Chiesa back, be it form or fitness or cultural fit. You don’t get minutes because you want them, you get them because you deserve them. These guys will have been dealing with that their entire careers.

Even with the other players we’ve historically given time to bed in (Fabinho, Robbo) by this stage of their first season they were starting to break through.

[Mark79]

I hindsight yes, I don’t think Slot would have predicted being 3-0 up at half time though (we have been routinely poor in the first half of many games)

We also had Elliot and Jota on the bench who are being eased back in and both needed minutes - maybe Slot just thought there wasn’t much likelihood of Chiesa getting a decent enough run out.

I’m not saying this is the case, just offering a different narrative based on Slots comments

It’s not about predicting being 3-0 at half time. It’s just having him on the bench to take advantage of getting him minutes when the chance arrises.

But yes fair point about Jota and Elliott. Slot may have thought it would have been 1 too many players who are needing their minutes built back up again.

[rudedog]

If it’s just about match fitness then surely we’d be seeing him on the bench much more often.

With the game won by half time, West Ham would have been a great chance to give him 30 mins or more to build his match fitness.

In hindsight yes, I don’t think Slot would have predicted being 3-0 up at half time though (we have been routinely poor in the first half of many games)

We also had Elliot and Jota on the bench who are being eased back in and both needed minutes - maybe Slot just thought there wasn’t much likelihood of Chiesa getting a decent enough run out.

I’m not saying this is the case, just offering a different narrative based on Slots comments