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    I'm new on here so apologies if I have missed this article somewhere else. Makes interesting reading from today's Guardian. Not sure Steve Highway will be too pleased though!


    Academies are not working and need big change, says Benítez
    Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez welcomes Arsenal's young imports in the Carling Cup tonight with a warning for the English game.


    Dominic Fifield
    December 19, 2006 12:30 AM

    http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...rking_and.html

    Rafael Benítez welcomes Arsenal's prodigious second string to Anfield tonight having renewed his attack on the English academy system, the shortcomings of which have prompted the Spaniard to follow Arsène Wenger's lead by attempting to recruit youngsters from abroad.

    Arsenal travel with their Carling Cup squad featuring personnel lured from all points between from Sao Paulo to Auxerre complementing home products. Benítez has not spent the kind of fees it took Arsenal to sign Abou Diaby or Denilson, who both moved from foreign clubs, or Theo Walcott, from Southampton, for an initial £5m, rising to a maximum £12m.

    His dissatisfaction at the lack of local talent emerging from Liverpool's academy has prompted him to look further afield, though the fact he will select more senior players for this quarter-final is a reflection that his squad lacks the depth of Wenger's. Even after the Argentinian Gabriel Paletta's arrival from Banfield in summer and the recent signing of his compatriot Emiliano Insua, who arrives next month from Boca Juniors, Liverpool continue to play catch-up with the youthful Arsenal team which defeated Everton in the previous round having cost £30.95m to assemble.

    "It depends what you mean by Arsenal's 'youth policy'," said the Spaniard when asked if he admired their set-up. "If you mean spending a lot of money on top-class players, it isn't difficult for me if I have that money. We know there is a big difference with Arsenal, who can pay millions for Denilson and also spend big on Walcott and Diaby.

    "We were monitoring those players, but we can't compete with the big money they spent on them, so we have to work twice as hard. I am really pleased with the work of the scouting department who are working really hard to sign quality international players without spending a lot.

    "When Wenger talks about quality and not nationality, I agree with him because the most important thing is to be winning. And, for me, you need to improve the English academy system because it's not the best. I'm not talking just about us, but for English football. If you want to improve, you need to change because you can see that young players don't progress here."

    Benítez's frustration stems from his perception of a lack of competitive football for youth sides in their leagues, and the apparent over-emphasis on education in the system. Though the Spaniard appreciates the need to incorporate a teaching element, he has suggested that, given the hours spent in the classroom rather than on the training pitch, the academies are effectively catering for failure.

    He endorses Jose Mourinho's insistence that junior teams should play competitive games ideally in the Football League, something Benítez did as manager of Real Madrid's B side in finishing sixth and eighth in the Spanish Second Division.

    "You can't just have young players playing 18 games in a year," said Benítez. "When I was in Spain, the youngsters came up against 30- or 35-year-olds. If you need to play against men, you must play against men. The academies are not working, and that's worrying. We are not training youngsters to be good lawyers or teachers, but good footballers. If you want to improve English players, you have to change because there will be long-term effects."

    Liverpool, under the academy director Steve Heighway, won the FA Youth Cup last season but a set-up which developed Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher has not generated a first-team regular since Steven Gerrard. Benítez's predecessor, Gérard Houllier, was perturbed at the poor level of talent he judged to be emerging from an institution which costs £3m a year to run.

    Houllier looked to his native France by signing Anthony le Tallec, Carl Medjani and Florent Sinama-Pongolle. Benítez, predictably, has used his knowledge of the Spanish-speaking markets. He tried to sign Fran Merida Perez from Barcelona, only for Arsenal to prove more tempting, with Liverpool now looking more to South America. "Insua is 17 and he's already in Argentina's Under-20 squad," Benítez said. "We aren't talking about a small country. It is Argentina, the world champions in that age group."
    Investing in the future

    Arsenal's youth purchases

    Denilson (Sao Paulo), age 18, £3.4m

    Arnand Traoré (Monaco), 17, free

    Fran Merida (Barcelona), 16, free

    Theo Walcott (Southampton) £5m plus

    Abou Diaby (Auxerre), 20, £3m

    Alexandre Song (Bastia), 19, £1m

    Johan Djourou (Etoile Carouge, Switz), 19, trainee

    Gaël Clichy (Toulouse), 21, nominal fee

    Nicklas Bendtner (FC Copenhagen), 18, free

    Arturo Lupoli (Parma), 19, free

    Sebastian Larsson (Eskilstruna, Swe), 21

    Cesc Fábregas (Barcelona), 19, £1m

    Vito Mannone (Atalanta), 18, £350,000

    Carl Parisio (AS Cannes), 17, free

    Vincent van den Berg (Heerenveen), 17, free

    Liverpool's youth purchases

    Nabil el Zahr (St Etienne), 20, free

    Godwin Antwi (Real Zaragoza), 18, free

    Paul Anderson (Hull), 18, swap

    Miki Roque (Llieda, Sp), 18, £10,000

    Besian Idrizaj (Linzer ASK, Aut), 19, free

    Jack Hobbs (Lincoln), 18, free

    David Martin (MK Dons), 20, free

    Gabriel Paletta (Banfield, Arg), 20, £2m

    Emiliano Insua (Boca Juniors), 17, £1m

    #2
    Welcome to the forum mate, and thanks for posting that

    Shame Rafa doesn't go into more detail about the changes he thinks should be made, but I can definitely see that a lack of competitive football is stifling the growth of young players over here.

    Disagree where the article says we have a less depth to our squad than Arsenal, our second team would absolutely **** theirs. Their youth team is probably better, granted. Looking at all the young players Rafa has bought it's difficult to see who looks most like coming through. I think Barragan would've made it, it's a shame we lost him. Insua sounds promising, am looking forward to seeing him play. One player that really excites me, and ironically has come through our academy rather than been bought by Rafa, is Hammill.
    Like blood on iron

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      #3
      Loan agreements

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        #4
        I guess this explains why our reserve team is made up of teenagers. He just trying to get them playing regularly against men.
        Oh I don't know.

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          #5
          Originally posted by pool31 View Post
          I'm new on here so apologies if I have missed this article somewhere else. Makes interesting reading from today's Guardian. Not sure Steve Highway will be too pleased though!


          Academies are not working and need big change, says Benítez
          Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez welcomes Arsenal's young imports in the Carling Cup tonight with a warning for the English game.


          Dominic Fifield
          December 19, 2006 12:30 AM

          http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...rking_and.html

          Rafael Benítez welcomes Arsenal's prodigious second string to Anfield tonight having renewed his attack on the English academy system, the shortcomings of which have prompted the Spaniard to follow Arsène Wenger's lead by attempting to recruit youngsters from abroad.

          Arsenal travel with their Carling Cup squad featuring personnel lured from all points between from Sao Paulo to Auxerre complementing home products. Benítez has not spent the kind of fees it took Arsenal to sign Abou Diaby or Denilson, who both moved from foreign clubs, or Theo Walcott, from Southampton, for an initial £5m, rising to a maximum £12m.

          His dissatisfaction at the lack of local talent emerging from Liverpool's academy has prompted him to look further afield, though the fact he will select more senior players for this quarter-final is a reflection that his squad lacks the depth of Wenger's. Even after the Argentinian Gabriel Paletta's arrival from Banfield in summer and the recent signing of his compatriot Emiliano Insua, who arrives next month from Boca Juniors, Liverpool continue to play catch-up with the youthful Arsenal team which defeated Everton in the previous round having cost £30.95m to assemble.

          "It depends what you mean by Arsenal's 'youth policy'," said the Spaniard when asked if he admired their set-up. "If you mean spending a lot of money on top-class players, it isn't difficult for me if I have that money. We know there is a big difference with Arsenal, who can pay millions for Denilson and also spend big on Walcott and Diaby.

          "We were monitoring those players, but we can't compete with the big money they spent on them, so we have to work twice as hard. I am really pleased with the work of the scouting department who are working really hard to sign quality international players without spending a lot.

          "When Wenger talks about quality and not nationality, I agree with him because the most important thing is to be winning. And, for me, you need to improve the English academy system because it's not the best. I'm not talking just about us, but for English football. If you want to improve, you need to change because you can see that young players don't progress here."

          Benítez's frustration stems from his perception of a lack of competitive football for youth sides in their leagues, and the apparent over-emphasis on education in the system. Though the Spaniard appreciates the need to incorporate a teaching element, he has suggested that, given the hours spent in the classroom rather than on the training pitch, the academies are effectively catering for failure.

          He endorses Jose Mourinho's insistence that junior teams should play competitive games ideally in the Football League, something Benítez did as manager of Real Madrid's B side in finishing sixth and eighth in the Spanish Second Division.

          "You can't just have young players playing 18 games in a year," said Benítez. "When I was in Spain, the youngsters came up against 30- or 35-year-olds. If you need to play against men, you must play against men. The academies are not working, and that's worrying. We are not training youngsters to be good lawyers or teachers, but good footballers. If you want to improve English players, you have to change because there will be long-term effects."

          Liverpool, under the academy director Steve Heighway, won the FA Youth Cup last season but a set-up which developed Robbie Fowler, Steve McManaman, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher has not generated a first-team regular since Steven Gerrard. Benítez's predecessor, Gérard Houllier, was perturbed at the poor level of talent he judged to be emerging from an institution which costs £3m a year to run.

          Houllier looked to his native France by signing Anthony le Tallec, Carl Medjani and Florent Sinama-Pongolle. Benítez, predictably, has used his knowledge of the Spanish-speaking markets. He tried to sign Fran Merida Perez from Barcelona, only for Arsenal to prove more tempting, with Liverpool now looking more to South America. "Insua is 17 and he's already in Argentina's Under-20 squad," Benítez said. "We aren't talking about a small country. It is Argentina, the world champions in that age group."
          Investing in the future

          Arsenal's youth purchases

          Denilson (Sao Paulo), age 18, £3.4m

          Arnand Traoré (Monaco), 17, free

          Fran Merida (Barcelona), 16, free

          Theo Walcott (Southampton) £5m plus

          Abou Diaby (Auxerre), 20, £3m

          Alexandre Song (Bastia), 19, £1m

          Johan Djourou (Etoile Carouge, Switz), 19, trainee

          Gaël Clichy (Toulouse), 21, nominal fee

          Nicklas Bendtner (FC Copenhagen), 18, free

          Arturo Lupoli (Parma), 19, free

          Sebastian Larsson (Eskilstruna, Swe), 21

          Cesc Fábregas (Barcelona), 19, £1m

          Vito Mannone (Atalanta), 18, £350,000

          Carl Parisio (AS Cannes), 17, free

          Vincent van den Berg (Heerenveen), 17, free

          Liverpool's youth purchases

          Nabil el Zahr (St Etienne), 20, free

          Godwin Antwi (Real Zaragoza), 18, free

          Paul Anderson (Hull), 18, swap

          Miki Roque (Llieda, Sp), 18, £10,000

          Besian Idrizaj (Linzer ASK, Aut), 19, free

          Jack Hobbs (Lincoln), 18, free

          David Martin (MK Dons), 20, free

          Gabriel Paletta (Banfield, Arg), 20, £2m

          Emiliano Insua (Boca Juniors), 17, £1m

          cheers pal

          ties up with my recent thread on some academy gossip

          heighway out - elias in

          just a matter of time
          drunk knows best

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            #6
            It's amazing that Arsenal's "kids" cost £31m to put together. More expensive than many Prem teams. They like to give this impression that the genius Wenger is plucking kids from total obscurity and turning them into world-beaters, yet the reality is he’s having to spend more than £30m to accrue this sort of talent.
            Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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              #7
              LOL… that reminds me about Ronaldo….. people always forget that Slur paid £17m ish for him!!

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                #8
                Thought it was £12m? After us and Arsenal had had £5m bids accepted?
                Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                  Thought it was £12m? After us and Arsenal had had £5m bids accepted?
                  Do you feel better now you`ve pissed all over his chips?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                    Thought it was £12m? After us and Arsenal had had £5m bids accepted?
                    That's almost correct. We had agreed a deal for him(£4.5m) but after Man U had played against Sporting in a warm up game then they decided to sign him for £12m.

                    He completly dominated that game so I can understand why they did it.
                    Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                    According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by paulcooper4 View Post
                      Do you feel better now you`ve pissed all over his chips?
                      I didn’t mean or want to piss on his chips.

                      Speaking of which, though, I think it’s time to go to the toilet. For a ****.
                      Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ShaggyAlonso View Post
                        I didn’t mean or want to piss on his chips.

                        Speaking of which, though, I think it’s time to go to the toilet. For a ****.
                        I look forward to the update in the ****ting thread

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                          #13
                          nobody pisses on my chips!!

                          I think you will find that when you add up the fee, relocation package, sign on fee and wages it comes to exactly £17000000.01

                          sorry

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Michael View Post
                            nobody pisses on my chips!!

                            I think you will find that when you add up the fee, relocation package, sign on fee and wages it comes to exactly £17000000.01

                            sorry

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                              #15
                              SA... was it a 5 wipe, 10 wipe or one of those strange 0 wipes?

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