Selling Crouch?

[Rich]

Shaggy hasn't hijacked the thread! But I agree we have been entering into the realm of a(nother) slanging match - which is getting tedious.

Just agree to disagree and stop bitchin'

[calvoboy]

Yes, thing like, Crouch giving the ball away more often over the course of a season n stuff.

That's where stats are bollocks though. You can't compare the passing stats of players in different positions on the pitch. Crouch tends to get the ball played up to him where he is expected to compete with a defender, win the ball, and lay it off with one touch. It's no surprise that he gives the ball away a lot of the time under those circumstances. Garcia usually gets the ball played to feet, and so is less likely to give the ball away.

Traore's pass completion stats were better than Gerrards at one stage two seasons ago, because all he was doing was passing it square to Sami, or along the line to Riise. Doesn't make him a better passer of the ball though.

[Shaggy]

That's where stats are bollocks though. You can't compare the passing stats of players in different positions on the pitch. Crouch tends to get the ball played up to him where he is expected to compete with a defender, win the ball, and lay it off with one touch. It's no surprise that he gives the ball away a lot of the time under those circumstances. Garcia usually gets the ball played to feet, and so is less likely to give the ball away.

Traore's pass completion stats were better than Gerrards at one stage two seasons ago, because all he was doing was passing it square to Sami, or along the line to Riise. Doesn't make him a better passer of the ball though.

For what it's worth, I think Crouch will have a better season this time around. He's more confident, his stock has grown and he feels at home in the squad. He may not play quite as regularly, but I fancy his contribution will be a worthy one.

[Alex]

Crouch was brilliant for us in the second half of the season. Especially when he played with fowler! I think he will be good with bellemy aswel. Lets not forget how well he did in all those internationals during the summer!

[Peter Delvechio]

I hope you're both right and Crouch tears up the Premiership this season. I really do.

[Shaggy]

I hope you're both right and Crouch tears up the Premiership this season. I really do.

Naturally, it'd be disconcerting if you hoped for otherwise.

"Tearing up the Premiership" seems a bit dramatic though! I think he'll do well and improve on last season (when I thought he was pretty good), but I dunno about tearing it up!

Bellamy might tear it up though....

[Peter Delvechio]

If they don't tear it up we should sell them both.

[red g]

Crouch will have an even better season this year as i think he plays better with Gerrard in the centre. crouches intelligent link play works well with Gerrard a great combo

[Shaggy]

Crouch will have an even better season this year as i think he plays better with Gerrard in the centre. crouches intelligent link play works well with Gerrard a great combo

Agreed. The link-up play between Gerrard & Crouch got better and better. Stevie rates him highly, and trusts him 'football-wise', which is good enough for me. During the last year or two of Houllier's reign, Gerrard was clearly irritated by the lack of quality in the side and it's indicative of Crouch's value to the team that Gerrard enjoys playing with him so much.

[scubykuntz]

As much as I disagree with Peter, Ryan and Brendan's view point on Crouch. They are perfectly entitled to express their opinions on the matter.

AND, if you look at the bare stats, you can argue that Crouch didn't bring enough to the plate for a Liverpool Striker. However, I still support him and think generally he does a good job.

I'm hoping for an improved strike rate from him this year.

Couldnt agree with you more, as the guys you have mentioned love to point out is that this is a discussion forum, and I agree it is, but it's not a slagging forum, which is what Ryan and Brendan in particular seem to do.
If a manc or a Chav said some of the stuff these two ******** say about liverpool players then I would have a go at them as well.
FFS Ryan thinks Peter Crouch is a ****e player cos of the way he looks;

It never fails to amaze me how good some people think Crouch is?

Are we watching the same goofy, lumering, impotent oaf here or wha?

He doesn't seem to have the brainpower to work out that PC was bought to do a specific job for Liverpool, which he has done pretty well IMO.

So if they want to debate the merits or otherwise of any player in a Liverpool shirt that's fine, but leave out the childish "Lurch","Rodders", "Oaf", etc and leave that to our enemys supporters. (Which i think these two morons secretly are!!)

[Ryan]

Couldnt agree with you more, as the guys you have mentioned love to point out is that this is a discussion forum, and I agree it is, but it's not a slagging forum, which is what Ryan and Brendan in particular seem to do.
If a manc or a Chav said some of the stuff these two ******** say about liverpool players then I would have a go at them as well.
FFS Ryan thinks Peter Crouch is a ****e player cos of the way he looks;


He doesn't seem to have the brainpower to work out that PC was bought to do a specific job for Liverpool, which he has done pretty well IMO.

So if they want to debate the merits or otherwise of any player in a Liverpool shirt that's fine, but leave out the childish "Lurch","Rodders", "Oaf", etc and leave that to our enemys supporters. (Which i think these two morons secretly are!!)

Yep, if that job was "Don't score very many goals, especially not in European Competition - where your sole requirement will be to roll the ball at the Benfica keeper's arse as he lies on the ground 5 yards from goal"... then he's done it to a TEE!

[brendan]

Couldnt agree with you more, as the guys you have mentioned love to point out is that this is a discussion forum, and I agree it is, but it's not a slagging forum, which is what Ryan and Brendan in particular seem to do.
If a manc or a Chav said some of the stuff these two ******** say about liverpool players then I would have a go at them as well.
FFS Ryan thinks Peter Crouch is a ****e player cos of the way he looks;


He doesn't seem to have the brainpower to work out that PC was bought to do a specific job for Liverpool, which he has done pretty well IMO.

So if they want to debate the merits or otherwise of any player in a Liverpool shirt that's fine, but leave out the childish "Lurch","Rodders", "Oaf", etc and leave that to our enemys supporters. (Which i think these two morons secretly are!!)

****ing hell, you're denser than a collapsing star.

You can't have a pop at people "slagging" others off and in the SAME POST refer to other contributors as "********" and "morons".

It makes you look thick, and obviates any point you *might* have had.

That is all.

[red g]

Agreed. The link-up play between Gerrard & Crouch got better and better. Stevie rates him highly, and trusts him 'football-wise', which is good enough for me. During the last year or two of Houllier's reign, Gerrard was clearly irritated by the lack of quality in the side and it's indicative of Crouch's value to the team that Gerrard enjoys playing with him so much.

I actually find it great that Crouch puts the team over himself and if the team are scoring he is genuinely happy to be a provider as well. No matter who gives him the stick those with footballing brains can see crouches value....so what he looks gangly and awkward, whatever next,lets not sign Dirk coz he looks like the back end of a bus ¬!¬!

[brendan]

whatever next,lets not sign Dirk coz he looks like the back end of a bus ¬!¬!

Well, now you come to mention it..........

[Peter Delvechio]

I don't think anyone would care if he looked like Anne Widdecombe as long as he scored goals.

Like Peter Beardsley did - who was hardly a beauty even in the flush of youth.