Selling Crouch?

[paulc]

I have no reason to doubt you, and if that is true, I am staggered.

Much respect to Crouch for putting in such effort.

i believe it is true


Crouch is not a striker more of a link player. We prob payed over the odds for him at the time but if we did not get him what the hell would we have done last season?!

And now adidas are making special shorts for him this season the skys the limit (i'll get my coat)

[anfieldanfield]

No it most certainly isn't. I'm absolutely furious at some posters on here at the moment who seem utterly incapable of doing anything other than swaggering about these forums posting tirades and inflammatory comments at their fellow LFC fans. We try and have a relaxed forum where people can actually disagree and one or two infantile personalities seem utterly determined to spoil it for everyone. I do not understand the mentality that actively tries to go out of its way to wind up fans of the club they themselves support. Isn't that what RedCafe's for eh?

I'd be screaming for sin-binnings if it didn't mean I'd have to talk to the people involved. I need to calm down and see what the other mods want to do but this has gone well beyond a joke

Massive overeaction Mod.

Let arguments/debates build, explode and then fizzle out naturally, it's the best way to police the forums.

Besides, if every minion on the site wants a poster hung drawn and quartered for bucking the trend and having a different opinion, whilst (god forbid) actually criticising one of our players then this site will be very boring indeed...

[Shaggy]

I have no reason to doubt you, and if that is true, I am staggered.

Much respect to Crouch for putting in such effort.

Honestly mate, it is absolutely true. I was staggered too. I realised he worked hard but not to that extent. Maybe someone could find the article?

[Hamstrung]

I don't think anyone would care if he looked like Anne Widdecombe as long as he scored goals.

Like Peter Beardsley did - who was hardly a beauty even in the flush of youth.

http://www.lfchistory.net/player_profile.asp?player_id=1133

Crouch 1 in 3.75ish

http://www.lfchistory.net/player_profile.asp?player_id=264

Beardsley 1 in 2.9ish

Not a huge difference - although not comparing them as players, just the goals. Crouch had a poor start last season goals wise. I think Crouch is more than capable of getting 15/20 goals a season and getting his average down to 1 in 3. He won't get away with not scoring for 3 months this time, nor will it happen if he is playing regularly.

He's very intelligent player, and if he didn't look freakish there'd not have been the nonsense there was at the start of last season in the media. Obviously, I wouldn't expect to convince the people who aren't really interested in whether he's decent or not. They just like to be contrary because it brings attention.

[Rich]

Well, the lad has gone up in my estimation.

Let's just hope he can find that consistancy in front of goal. Case point, he should have buried that easy header against Zurich.

[Shaggy]

http://www.lfchistory.net/player_pro...player_id=1133

Crouch 1 in 3.75ish

http://www.lfchistory.net/player_profile.asp?player_id=264

Beardsley 1 in 2.9ish

Not a huge difference - although not comparing them as players, just the goals. Crouch had a poor start last season goals wise. I think Crouch is more than capable of getting 15/20 goals a season and getting his average down to 1 in 3. He won't get away with not scoring for 3 months this time, nor will it happen if he is playing regularly.

He's very intelligent player, and if he didn't look freakish there'd not have been the nonsense there was at the start of last season in the media. Obviously, I wouldn't expect to convince the people who aren't really interested in whether he's decent or not. They just like to be contrary because it brings attention.

Excellent post from start to finish.

[scubykuntz]

It wasn't the semi-final nimrod. That was the game that John Terry tucked him inside his socks, and meandered round making a cnut out of him.

And I haven't picked one incident. What about his ZERO goals in the Champions League? He couldn't even score in the sodding qualifiers, against the EuropeanPubTeams.

Ok, so I made a mistake about which game it was, you must be right about everything.
In that particular post you DID pick one incident.
Champions league qualifiers, so that was when he had just joined the club and was still settling in wasn't it. Then he went through a bit of a dry spell like even the best strikers in the world can do (Owen, how many times?)
I remember it took Robbie a few games to score as well on his return, he must be ****e as well.

The main thing is the fact that in your limited mental capacity you are never going to grasp the fact that PC was not bought as an out and out goal scorer, Rafa has said this many times, and also that he is happy with him, but you are just too dim to accept the truth.
I'm not wasting any more of my time on you, you are the weakest wank, Goodbye :whatever:

[Shaggy]

Just put the dimwits on 'ignore'....problem solved. If we wanted to read that sort of bile, we'd buy the Daily Star.

[Ryan]

[QUOTE=scubykuntz]Ok, so I made a mistake about which game it was, you must be right about everything.
In that particular post you DID pick one incident.
Champions league qualifiers, so that was when he had just joined the club and was still settling in wasn't it. Then he went through a bit of a dry spell like even the best strikers in the world can do (Owen, how many times?)
I remember it took Robbie a few games to score as well on his return, he must be ****e as well.

[QUOTE]

Y'see this is where you're piss-weak argument comes tumbling down.

Even if we give you that it was "a bit of a dry spell" (when it was a Stephen Fry like dry spell of 19 games ACTUALLY), he only managed to come through said spell and finish up with a paltry 7 league goals.

The "best strikers in the World", Michael Owen after his barren spells, and the early periods of Fowler's career - They all come through such spells and banged in the goals afterwards.

You could be sure if one of those strikers hit a dry patch, theat they'd more than make up for it in the follwing 10 odd games. Coruch doesn't give off that impression one bit.

As for your "weakest wank" comment, well I find that a tad ironic, given the pathetically weak fist you've made of this argument.

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[QUOTE=Ryan][QUOTE=scubykuntz]Ok, so I made a mistake about which game it was, you must be right about everything.
In that particular post you DID pick one incident.
Champions league qualifiers, so that was when he had just joined the club and was still settling in wasn't it. Then he went through a bit of a dry spell like even the best strikers in the world can do (Owen, how many times?)
I remember it took Robbie a few games to score as well on his return, he must be ****e as well.

Y'see this is where you're piss-weak argument comes tumbling down.

Even if we give you that it was "a bit of a dry spell" (when it was a Stephen Fry like dry spell of 19 games ACTUALLY), he only managed to come through said spell and finish up with a paltry 7 league goals.

The "best strikers in the World", Michael Owen after his barren spells, and the early periods of Fowler's career - They all come through such spells and banged in the goals afterwards.

You could be sure if one of those strikers hit a dry patch, theat they'd more than make up for it in the follwing 10 odd games. Coruch doesn't give off that impression one bit.

As for your "weakest wank" comment, well I find that a tad ironic, given the pathetically weak fist you've made of this argument.

But people score more with Crouch around??? so what of he scores only seven goals..........dont give me that striker is there to score goals lalala

Darren bent scored 18 last yr and probably set up jack all.

Crouch had a barren spell, then scored 7 but probably created many, many more. Having Crouch in the team brings other players into the game......havin a RVN, shevchenko, johnson,Trez doesnt although it does gaurantee goals

[Ryan]

[QUOTE=red g][QUOTE=Ryan]

Ok, so I made a mistake about which game it was, you must be right about everything.
In that particular post you DID pick one incident.
Champions league qualifiers, so that was when he had just joined the club and was still settling in wasn't it. Then he went through a bit of a dry spell like even the best strikers in the world can do (Owen, how many times?)
I remember it took Robbie a few games to score as well on his return, he must be ****e as well.




But people score more with Crouch around??? so what of he scores only seven goals..........dont give me that striker is there to score goals lalala

Darren bent scored 18 last yr and probably set up jack all.

Crouch had a barren spell, then scored 7 but probably created many, many more. Having Crouch in the team brings other players into the game......havin a RVN, shevchenko, johnson,Trez doesnt although it does gaurantee goals

Crouch created 4 assists last season. The whole season long. 4 assists. 4.

Your argument has now boiled down to "But he's not there to score goals", fair enough, I've now told you he doesn't provide many assists either, so that basically leaves us with 'his mere presence is a distraction and he puts off defenders', we should have saved the £7M and bought a big fcuk-off scarecrow.

[Bob]

It's perfectly allowable (amd makes for great debate) to have opinions on players, negative or otherwise.

Ryan may be a tedious, repetitive ****wit (and even his nearest and dearest would back that up), but he has his favourite and not-so-favourite players, as do we all.

Noone is suggesting that we go to matches and boo Rodders, but debating how good he is(n't) on a Forum is what the ****ing thing is here for.

I took great, cathartic pleasure in raging about Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, Pellegrno, Josemi et al until I'd seen the fcuking back of them. I don't feel as strongly about Rodders, perhaps, but I still want him gone.

I've read this thread up to this point.

Been entertaining so far, and it's wrong to criticise Ryan and Brendan for having opinions on players. But I can see this turning nasty soon...

[red g]

[QUOTE=Ryan][QUOTE=red g]

Crouch created 4 assists last season. The whole season long. 4 assists. 4.

Your argument has now boiled down to "But he's not there to score goals", fair enough, I've now told you he doesn't provide many assists either, so that basically leaves us with 'his mere presence is a distraction and he puts off defenders', we should have saved the £7M and bought a big fcuk-off scarecrow.

My argument has not boiled down to anything. My point is that he is a valuable TEAM player who is an integral member of the TEAM. ok 4 assists....but i bet u his lay offs, hold up play created many more goals although he may of not had the assist. He is very difficult to play against, has great vision and a deft touch.....unfortunately he will never be a 20 goals striker but reckon he will get 15 this yr

Ryan is he better than heskey??

[Delinquent]

If we could make our money back on Crouch right now, I'd sell him in a heartbeat.

[Ryan]

[QUOTE=red g][QUOTE=Ryan]

My argument has not boiled down to anything. My point is that he is a valuable TEAM player who is an integral member of the TEAM. ok 4 assists....but i bet u his lay offs, hold up play created many more goals although he may of not had the assist. He is very difficult to play against, has great vision and a deft touch.....unfortunately he will never be a 20 goals striker but reckon he will get 15 this yr

Ryan is he better than heskey??

Call me strange, but I expect a lot more from a £7M striker than "lay offs and hold up play"...

I just don't like him.

Heskey, in his first season with us was unstoppable, and certainly had it within his capabilities to go on to be one of the most powerful, fearsome strikers in the game. Unfortunatly, his motivation, and will-to-prove-himself were and always will be lacking.

Am I glad he left? Yes.
Do I wish Crouch would leave? Yes.