Selling Crouch?

[Hamstrung]

He's not here - he's off doing research

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8125320AAxgo9d

[Rosco]

It does seem to be an issue for poor Brendan. We should all be more supportive to Brendan and help him come to terms with his hang-up in a caring, sympathetic atmosphere.

I hear your cry for help Brendan, send me a PM if you want to work through your hang-up and I can put you in touch with a professional

Brendan doesn't need me to speak on his behalf, but I reckon Brendan's problem with Crouch has nothing to do with his "freakish height" and more to do with his freakish ability to miss the easiest of chances. (Opta Stats: he failed to score with 92% of the chances provided to him in the league.)

We simply can't afford that kind of profligacy in front of goal if we want to be serious title challengers.

[Hamstrung]

I don't recall him regularly missing easy chances last season. He had a few games where nothing would go in for him, but overall I don't think that was really an issue.

Can you supply a link for those stats - I'd like to compare them with other strikers.

[brendan]

I don't recall him regularly missing easy chances last season

What? Oh come on, you're a Crouch fan - that's fine - but his finishing last season was all over the place like a mad woman's piss.

To claim that you can't remember him missing any easy chances is simply ridiculous.

[Hamstrung]

I am a Liverpool fan. I think Crouch is a good player - I don't have posters of him on my wall.

As I said, he had games, such as the Benfica home game, where he couldn't score no matter what he did but I don't think it was particularly a feature generally. I'd like to see those stats for myself. FWIW I think when his confidence is up he is a very capable finisher.

Of course, when you want him to fail, you only see the misses.

[red g]

What? Oh come on, you're a Crouch fan - that's fine - but his finishing last season was all over the place like a mad woman's piss.

To claim that you can't remember him missing any easy chances is simply ridiculous.

iremember him missing a few....as did owen, fowler,rvn, Henry etc!! all strikers miss ffs!! ok Crouch may be far from clinical.....but when he is on form he does have a good eye for a goal.

[brendan]

iremember him missing a few....as did owen, fowler,rvn, Henry etc!! all strikers miss ffs!! ok Crouch may be far from clinical.....but when he is on form he does have a good eye for a goal.

Yes of course all strikers miss, but you are not helping whatever argument you have left by listing those strikers, because they also SCORE lots.

[Ryan]

I am a Liverpool fan. I think Crouch is a good player - I don't have posters of him on my wall.

As I said, he had games, such as the Benfica home game, where he couldn't score no matter what he did but I don't think it was particularly a feature generally. I'd like to see those stats for myself. FWIW I think when his confidence is up he is a very capable finisher.

Of course, when you want him to fail, you only see the misses.

Mate, he scored 7 league goals last year. He didn't even get one in the Champions League.

He was a starter in just about every game going, so he obviously had chances to score, but just didn't.

I'm all for hearing arguments about his workrate, target-man prowess, and general nuisance factor, but to claim he's a "very capable finisher" when his records comprehensively prove he's not, is frankly, blinkered and silly.

[Hamstrung]

Mick Quinn used to score lots, let buy him



No more stupid than your argument.....

[brendan]

Mick Quinn used to score lots, let buy him



No more stupid than your argument.....

It is more stupid. I think that's pretty obvious.

[red g]

Yes of course all strikers miss, but you are not helping whatever argument you have left by listing those strikers, because they also SCORE lots.

But crouch doesnt play in the same position as the above? he wont get as many chances,so wont score as many goals. If we are discussing the above strikers, they all probably get more chances than crouch, miss more and score more.

Crouch has a good eye for goal, but unlike the aforementioned strikers he isnt 'clinical' but does have other attributes that the others dont have.

[Hamstrung]

It is more stupid. I think that's pretty obvious.

Not really, Crouch doesn't score enough so get someone who does.

oh, and he's really really tall a looks a bit like Rodney from only Fools and Horses.

Completely ignoring anything and everything else.

'bout covers it doesn't it?

[red g]

Not really, Crouch doesn't score enough so get someone who does.

oh, and he's really really tall a looks a bit like Rodney from only Fools and Horses.

Completely ignoring anything and everything else.

'bout covers it doesn't it?

[dww]

I think that I have to side with brendan and ryan on this one. In general Crouch does not finish like a born goalscorer. I can't see the point in debating what is obviously the truth.

However much like Heskey before him when he is confident his finishing improves. Hopefully now he is settled in he will have more confidence and improve to about 15 league goals - which is a reasonable target for a second striker. I think we can all agree that expecting Crouch to perform the role that Henry or RvN have for their clubs in the past is only going to lead to disappointment.

[Ryan]

I think that I have to side with brendan and ryan on this one. In general Crouch does not finish like a born goalscorer. I can't see the point in debating what is obviously the truth.

However much like Heskey before him when he is confident his finishing improves. Hopefully now he is settled in he will have more confidence and improve to about 15 league goals - which is a reasonable target for a second striker. I think we can all agree that expecting Crouch to perform the role that Henry or RvN have for their clubs in the past is only going to lead to disappointment.

Mate, he got 7 league goals last year despite playing nearly every game.

With a fit Fowler, Bellamy, and possibly somebody else to choose from this season, Crouch's appearances are almost certainly going to be fewer than last season.

With that in mind, do you honestly think he'll double his tally of goals from last year?

I don't.