So Who's Going To Win The Ashes?

[Shaggy]

RICHARD DAWSON! That's him. Gee whizz, proper forgot all about him.

For the record I barely follow County cricket anymore so I've not seen or heard his name since he last wore the England shirt. Can hardly find the time to keep up with County cricket. That and the fact Derbyshire are the worst team ever.

MAHMOOD STRIKES!

[G_Man]

i may not follow yorkshire but a now a duffer when i see one bowl

But you've obviously never seen him bowl, save for a few Test matches on unfavourable pitches.
Have you seen him bowl live on a turning pitch?
He was instrumental in Yorkshire county championship win, he regularly bowled sides out.

[dww]

Well it's good to have someone on here to educate me about the finer points of the game. If I'm honest i only really follow cricket in terms of England.

[G_Man]

Richard Dawson
Dawson was chosen for England's winter tours of India and New Zealand in 2001-02 tours after helping Yorkshire to the Championship title.

He collected four wickets on his debut Test at Mohali and featured the following winter in Australia when he deputised for Ashley Giles and batted with considerable bravery against a barrage from Brett Lee.

He is a good fielder and was picked in England's 30-man pool of players for the 2004 ICC Champions Trophy but missed out on final selection, although he toured UAE and Sri Lanka with England A at the start of 2005.

Produced several impressive performances the following summer, including a half-century in the three-wicket County Championship win against Worcestershire, and took over the Yorkshire captaincy when Craig White was sidelined with a knee injury.

The season ended with promotion in the Championship, Dawson playing his part with 430 runs and 27 wickets.

Was offered a new contract at the end of the 2005 season.

Richard Dawson

Key facts
Full Name: Richard Kevin James Dawson
Born: August 4, 1980, Doncaster
County: Yorkshire
Other Teams: England, England A
Test Debut: v India, 2001
Batting Style: Right Hand Bat
Bowling Style: Right Arm Off Break

[enema of the state]

But you've obviously never seen him bowl, save for a few Test matches on unfavourable pitches.
Have you seen him bowl live on a turning pitch?
He was instrumental in Yorkshire county championship win, he regularly bowled sides out.

well and good mate but all that matters to me - as someone wholl almost never watch yorkshire ccc - is whether he CAN bowl on unfavourable pitches to good batsmen. dawson couldnt, i think panesar can

[G_Man]

well and good mate but all that matters to me - as someone wholl almost never watch yorkshire ccc - is whether he CAN bowl on unfavourable pitches to good batsmen. dawson couldnt, i think panesar can

How do you know though? You've never seen Panesar bowl down under and Australia 2001/2 were widely lauded as the greatest cricket team EVER.

[Mumsafan]

RICHARD DAWSON! That's him. Gee whizz, proper forgot all about him.

For the record I barely follow County cricket anymore so I've not seen or heard his name since he last wore the England shirt. Can hardly find the time to keep up with County cricket. That and the fact Derbyshire are the worst team ever.

MAHMOOD STRIKES!

They won their first game at home in 4 years last week

[G_Man]

****s sake. Trescothick AND Cook have now dropped catches

[enema of the state]

How do you know though? You've never seen Panesar bowl down under and Australia 2001/2 were widely lauded as the greatest cricket team EVER.

i dont KNOW (i said i THINK) yet nobody does but he turns the ball much more than dawson did, he turns it the other way - which is an advantage even though australia will probable have a few lefties and most importantly i KNOW he can get good batsmen out starting with tendulkar and recently Younis, inzamam and yusuf on a third day pitch at manchester.

monty is a different class to dawson

[G_Man]

i dont KNOW yet nobody does but he turns the ball much more than dawson did, he turns it the others way - which is an advantage even though australia will probable have a few lefties and most importantly i KNOW he can get good batsmen out strting with tendulkar and recently Younis, inzamam and yusuf on a third day pitch at manchester.

monty is a different class to dawson

Well you can have an opinion but you sound like you're making a statement of fact. The fact is you are not in a position to judge

Manchester was a turning pitch, it ALWAYS has been. Have a look at Shane Warne's record at English grounds. You'll find he does quite well there.

You think Dawson hasn't got any good batsmen out? Shows what you know about him then

[enema of the state]

Well you can have an opinion but you sound like you're making a statement of fact. The fact is you are not in a position to judge

pardon me if my OPINION sounded like a fact

i am in a good position - watching cricket actually - to state my opinion and hence to judge

[enema of the state]

Well you can have an opinion but you sound like you're making a statement of fact. The fact is you are not in a position to judge

Manchester was a turning pitch, it ALWAYS has been. Have a look at Shane Warne's record at English grounds. You'll find he does quite well there.

You think Dawson hasn't got any good batsmen out? Shows what you know about him then

so is brisbane, melbourne and sydney - shaney boys got a fair few wickets there too...how many wickets did dawson get us there?

if he was any good, hed still be in the side

[G_Man]

pardon me if my OPINION sounded like a fact

i am in a good position - watching cricket actually - to state my opinion and hence to judge

You're in a godd position to judge having seen Panesar in what less than half a dozen games and you can compare him to a player you can't even remember.

Whatever.

Your comment about getting good players out-how about Justin Langer? How about VVS Laxman? You think they can't play spin?

[enema of the state]

the old trafford pitch has changed GREATLY since the 1993 and 1997 ashes.

now its very fast and bouncy and its been a seamers pitch since the summer of 1999

[G_Man]

so is brisbane, melbourne and sydney - shaney boys got a fair few wickets there too...how many wickets did dawson get us there?

if he was any good, hed still be in the side

What does this prove?

You said you'd seen Monty get wickets at Manchester. My point was any half decent spinner would get wickets at Manchester because it's a turning wicket, always has been.