2021 Tennis

[Zapater]

Based on that logic (and there is merit to it) we will eventually have to acknowledge Djokovic as the GOAT, not only will he probably end up with the most titles but he will also have the most across all surfaces against the most difficult opponents.

If Rogers figures are skewed by some easier finals early on then Rafa's figures are skewed by clay-court dominance. With 'only' seven slams coming away from RG.

The most hard done too is Murray for sure, as his Slam Final presence is impressive (9) but only once did he get to a slam final and not have one of the big three staring him down from the other side of the net.

I know people hate Djokovic for various reasons but I don't think it would be an unfair argument. I don't believe in necessary having the need to compare and rank players in terms of greatness and legacy etc. because obviously they're all excellent. More my thoughts on Federer perhaps (or not) being aggrieved with his records being shattered.

Murray (among others) is a prime example of the era debate, imagine we lived in an alternative universe and he were 5 years older. Would he have shared some of Federer's slams? Given his consistency surely he could have beaten the likes of Mark Philippoussis and avoided Federer on some draws? Would people still wanking over Roger each time he took a piss? Not sure. Obviously irrelevant but worth thinking about as that's where Federer's reputation is based.

[Buzzo]

Based on that logic (and there is merit to it) we will eventually have to acknowledge Djokovic as the GOAT, not only will he probably end up with the most titles but he will also have the most across all surfaces against the most difficult opponents.

If Rogers figures are skewed by some easier finals early on then Rafa's figures are skewed by clay-court dominance. With 'only' seven slams coming away from RG.

The most hard done too is Murray for sure, as his Slam Final presence is impressive (9) but only once did he get to a slam final and not have one of the big three staring him down from the other side of the net.

[Zapater]

As good as Fed is/was, we must acknowledge that his timing is unfortunate - he won most of his honours between eras. He was a young kid in the Sampras/Agassi era and didn't beat them. When Federer started dominating in his prime he was beating glorified journeymen. Hewitt, Roddick, Baghdattis, Safin etc. Obviously he did well, but as Nadal and Novak grew up a bit around 2010, he hasn't won very much. It's unfortunate but pretty much every final he's won (I think he beat Rafa and Djokovic both once or twice when they were 18/19) is against a pretty ordinary opponent. I went through the list, even in the later years it was the likes of Murray and Cilic rather than the other two.

Due to timing, I don't think he can feel hard done by if they surpass him. They've won more against each other (and him) and didn't have the luxury of beating journeymen (maybe more gatekeepers to steal a boxing team) for grandslam titles.

[wiw]

Think you're right. Federer must hate Djokovic..he'd probably have 25+ slams if it wasn't for him

[Shaggy]

Tbh I reckon in 2-3 years Federer will be 3rd in the list with his 20 slams. Crazy really.

[wiw]

Even if he overtakes Fed, to me that is why Rafa will never be the GOAT, maybe just the GOAT(OC).

Him overtaking Fed for slams bothers me, i'm not sure why really, it's two fellas i've never met It's made more annoying by his ridiculous number of French Open titles. Just too much grunting and arse picking going on for him to be GOAT. Fed is much classier

[Buzzo]

No question he is the clay goat.

[Scratch]

That was Nadal’s 13th French Open title

Truly ridiculous level of domination.

Even if he overtakes Fed, to me that is why Rafa will never be the GOAT, maybe just the GOAT(OC).

[Buzzo]

That was Nadal’s 13th French Open title

Truly ridiculous level of domination.

[RichC]

Good to see Novak get spanked.

Yeah, never been a fan and he’s certainly done himself no favours this year.

Rafa, Federer and Djokovic are all unbelievable players, when they finally **** off it’ll be interesting to see if someone steps up or it becomes a little more unpredictable as to where the Slams will be headed

[labourRed]

Joins Fed on 20 and will probably add at least another one.

Only caught the last set but Rafa was probably unplayable.

Always cracks me up how **** Rafa's French is despite winning so many titles there.

[Buzzo]

Good to see Novak get spanked.

[RichC]

The three at the top are ridiculous. Two on 20 slams and Djokovic on 17, just ridiculously good.

[Buzzo]

Wins it.

[Buzzo]

Nadal serving for the Championship. He is soooo good on clay.