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foresterbloke 04-11-20 09:31 AM

Man City vs Liverpool - Premier League (20/21 - Game 8)
 
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This is it!

We are top of the league and if we intend to stay there, we need to beat a fairly flat Manchester City. They are still a great side but on the back of our thrashing of Atalanta, we have a fully firing front three and a maybe some key players back for selection such as Thiago and Matip.

I can't help but be overconfident about this one but we certainly won't underestimate them.

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MAN CITY

Table: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/t...ter-city/table

Top scorers (Premier League)

Phil Foden - 2
Raheem Sterling - 2
Nathan Ake - 1
Kevin De Bruyne - 1
Gabriel Jesus - 1
Riyad Mahrez - 1
Kyle Walker - 1


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LIVERPOOL

Table: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/t...iverpool/table

Top scorers (Premier League)

Salah - 7
Mane - 4
Jota - 3
Firmino - 1
Robertson - 1
VVD - 1 :(

Injuries: https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php

Tribute 04-11-20 10:18 AM

If we play anywhere near the levels of last night, City won't be able to live with us. It was like watching LFC of 2018... fast, energetic, sharp passing, clinical finishing, tight at the back... playing as a complete team unit. It would be awesome to watch how Citeh would cope with that level of intensity from us again. Sadly, I think it'll be a much closer and slower-paced affair

Irishnev 04-11-20 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute (Post 3667470)
If we play anywhere near the levels of last night, City won't be able to live with us. It was like watching LFC of 2018... fast, energetic, sharp passing, clinical finishing, tight at the back... playing as a complete team unit. It would be awesome to watch how Citeh would cope with that level of intensity from us again. Sadly, I think it'll be a much closer and slower-paced affair

I guess I’d temper that by saying Atalanta were naive to keep playing their way - live by the sword/die by the sword. Pep played open against us for years and we out scored them but recently he has been much more cagey.

I think this will be a tight tactical battle hence why Thiago would help such much to control the game. We owe them after the thumping we got and our tails will be up for sure - big questions include:

CB - Matip and Gomez?
Midfield - Who starts
Jota or Bobby

Looking forward to it though

Tribute 04-11-20 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishnev (Post 3667474)
I guess Iíd temper that by saying Atalanta were naive to keep playing their way - live by the sword/die by the sword. Pep played open against us for years and we out scored them but recently he has been much more cagey.

I think this will be a tight tactical battle hence why Thiago would help such much to control the game. We owe them after the thumping we got and our tails will be up for sure - big questions include:

CB - Matip and Gomez?
Midfield - Who starts
Jota or Bobby

Looking forward to it though

...would love Thiago to start as I think that will give us a huge midfield advantage. Not sure he's quite there yet or if Klopp will risk it. Might stick with Hendo, Gini and Jones again. I reckon Bobby starts this too...

danperkins 04-11-20 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishnev (Post 3667474)
I guess I’d temper that by saying Atalanta were naive to keep playing their way - live by the sword/die by the sword. Pep played open against us for years and we out scored them but recently he has been much more cagey.

I think this will be a tight tactical battle hence why Thiago would help such much to control the game. We owe them after the thumping we got and our tails will be up for sure - big questions include:

CB - Matip and Gomez?
Midfield - Who starts
Jota or Bobby

Looking forward to it though

:handshake: play open vs us and you're in trouble. City game will definitely be cagey. IMO Matip and Gomez will start and Bobby will start. Midfield is an interesting one though and all depends I suppose on just how fit Thiago is. I do feel Jota would be very unlucky not to start but I think Klopp will go with the tried and tested vs City. Bobby will get this game and then IMO we may see Jota replace him in the coming games if he under performs. Bobby needs that keep up the arse, said this in the second half of last season and he is still way below his best. For guy as talented as he is, he has had a very poor 2020. Maybe it's just a slump or maybe he is a bit disillusioned with the "support" role he plays when the other lads get all the glory. Hopefully now that bit of competition to start will be exactly what he needs.

City have Jesus back in time aswell which means they can stop playing Sterling or Torres out of position and gives KDB options to aim at. Could be a real belter of a game.

frank the tank 04-11-20 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishnev (Post 3667474)
I guess Iíd temper that by saying Atalanta were naive to keep playing their way - live by the sword/die by the sword. Pep played open against us for years and we out scored them but recently he has been much more cagey.

I think this will be a tight tactical battle hence why Thiago would help such much to control the game. We owe them after the thumping we got and our tails will be up for sure - big questions include:

CB - Matip and Gomez?
Midfield - Who starts
Jota or Bobby

Looking forward to it though

:handshake:

Whatever lineup we put out, i think we have players on the bench to change the game if we need to.

Is Fabinho in contention for this??? Would be a huge ask to play Matip, Thiago and Fabinho - all coming back from injury

Zapater 04-11-20 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danperkins (Post 3667484)
:handshake: play open vs us and you're in trouble. City game will definitely be cagey. IMO Matip and Gomez will start and Bobby will start. Midfield is an interesting one though and all depends I suppose on just how fit Thiago is. I do feel Jota would be very unlucky not to start but I think Klopp will go with the tried and tested vs City.

The fuckers have Jesus back in time aswell which means they can stop playing Sterling or Torres out of position and gives KDB options to aim at. Could be a real belter of a game.

I agree, hopefully Matip is ready, luckily he doesn't need a run of games to get into the swing of things. Probably because he's out more than in, but he almost never lets us down when called upon.

Think that Bobby is vital to how we set up for this game, tactically. If there are games for him, it's the big ones like these. It's tough on Jota given his recent performances, but I'd rather put him on minute 50-70 to make the difference than have our personal and tactics wrong and have to sub him off at half time. I think Klopp playing Wijnuldam as a false 9 against Barca in that semi highlights his approach and thinking towards big games tactically.

I'm confident, but would definitely take a draw. For me, it's important not to lose. Maybe I sound a bit like Mourinho or something but that's what wins titles.

danperkins 04-11-20 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapater (Post 3667488)
I agree, hopefully Matip is ready, luckily he doesn't need a run of games to get into the swing of things. Probably because he's out more than in, but he almost never lets us down when called upon.

Think that Bobby is vital to how we set up for this game, tactically. If there are games for him, it's the big ones like these. It's tough on Jota given his recent performances, but I'd rather put him on minute 50-70 to make the difference than have our personal and tactics wrong and have to sub him off at half time. I think Klopp playing Wijnuldam as a false 9 against Barca in that semi highlights his approach and thinking towards big games tactically.

I'm confident, but would definitely take a draw. For me, it's important not to lose. Maybe I sound a bit like Mourinho or something but that's what wins titles.

:handshake:

Yeah Matip has come straight in countless times off the back of an injury. Jota could be a fantastic option last 20 alright. Hendo and Gini mailed on, I think Keita might be a starter but for me I would maybe go for Shaqiri behind that front line. He has had some lovely cameos recently and has done well in the big games previously and will have bit more fitness in him that Keita. Seems he can pick a pass that others can't.

Take a draw absolutely :handshake:

foresterbloke 04-11-20 11:16 AM

Hendo, Wijnaldum and Keita for me.

Mane, Salah and Firmino up top.

Robertson, Matip, Gomez and TAA in defence..

Becker the Baptist in goal.

The_weatherman 04-11-20 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foresterbloke (Post 3667494)
Hendo, Wijnaldum and Keita for me.

Mane, Salah and Firmino up top.

Robertson, Matip, Gomez and TAA in defence..

Becker the Baptist in goal.

This for me as well, have Jota, Jones, Neco, Rhys, Shaq, Milner on the bench for some options. That leaves Origi, Nat, Tsimikas outside the squad......holy shit our options are decent even without Fab and Virgil, two of the best players in the world in their positions!

If Thiago is fit, then obviously he's in for someone.

foresterbloke 04-11-20 11:26 AM

Thiago for Keita if he's fit.

Is Minamino injured?

The_weatherman 04-11-20 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foresterbloke (Post 3667497)
Thiago for Keita if he's fit.

Is Minamino injured?

No, just forgot about him......

Tribute 04-11-20 11:51 AM

Hoping we don't recall Milner to cover midfield with Hendo and Gini... Klopp seems to be using him more sparingly this season so I'm hoping that continues. Big game for Naby lad to (finally) step up and remind us of those displays in his Leipzig days.

Pablo 04-11-20 11:54 AM

Yep I think Firmino will definitely start this one. He's his go to player for these big games. Harsh on Jota but he'll come on in the second half.

Hopefully Thiago will be on the bench if we need him.

I really think City are going to go all out for this one, mentally they need the victory, and I think they have a point to prove.

It'll be tough and I'm nervous already.

Pablo 04-11-20 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribute (Post 3667504)
Hoping we don't recall Milner to cover midfield with Hendo and Gini... Klopp seems to be using him more sparingly this season so I'm hoping that continues. Big game for Naby lad to (finally) step up and remind us of those displays in his Leipzig days.

Normally I'd say Milner has a chance in a game like this, but I think those days are gone now.

Shaggy 04-11-20 11:56 AM

If Thiago is fit I'd throw him in from the start. :D We saw at Chelsea he's so good he doesn't need any coaxing back. He'd be absolutely massive against these to help us control the game and the tempo.

rodo 04-11-20 11:59 AM

mad how much hype there is over a game between the champions and league leaders against a team in 10th :D

Buzzo 04-11-20 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy (Post 3667508)
If Thiago is fit I'd throw him in from the start. :D We saw at Chelsea he's so good he doesn't need any coaxing back. He'd be absolutely massive against these to help us control the game and the tempo.

:handshake: It's a massive, massive game and to win, or avoid defeat is a massive statement. A win puts daylight between us and City.

Thiago makes these things more likely. I'd play him.

SB 04-11-20 08:23 PM

It’s time we put this nothing club back in their place after their win after we’d secured the title last season. 4-0 thumping coming up

Pablo 05-11-20 01:09 PM

City are the bookies favourites for this match and I'm not sure why?

Being at home is much less of a factor these days and we're top of the league. I'd be using it as an extra motivation anyway as I feel we deserve to be favourites for this.

Montana 05-11-20 01:24 PM

City prey on team's mistakes seeking to do the damage in the first half. This season especially though they've faded badly physically in the 2nd half.

We need to ensure no giveaways at the back early on and we can start controlling the game. Our attack will do the rest.

They must be shitting themselves at the thought of facing red-hot Jota, Salah and Mane. Plus hopefully Thiago!

Trent has really hit top form again in the past 3 games.

Mr Pink 05-11-20 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montana (Post 3667734)
This season especially though they've faded badly physically in the 2nd half.

Completely agree!! Of their 7 games, theyíve only ďwonĒ one second half- that was when they scored on the 51st minute to equalize with west ham, and they couldnít go on and get a winner, so thatís not much of a victory. Also itís not been a case of them having the game wrapped up in the first half- the wolves game is the only game they won by more than 1 goal- due to a goal in the last minute! So basically itís meaningful that theyíre being outscored in the second half of games...

On the other hand, we seem to keep going til the end, getting critical goals after the 85th minute in 3 games, and should have been 4, if we count the Everton game..

So, I reckon if weíre drawing at half time, Iíll be very confident of smashing them in the second half!

dizzycat 05-11-20 03:09 PM

Big game, win and confidence will be through the roof. If we avoid individual mistakes we should be OK. I would go with Jota from the start, simply because he is so in form and will press well.

Shaggy 05-11-20 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 3667723)
City are the bookies favourites for this match and I'm not sure why?

Being at home is much less of a factor these days and we're top of the league. I'd be using it as an extra motivation anyway as I feel we deserve to be favourites for this.

They're also still favourites for the title. What the fuck? If we win we go 8 points clear.

Pablo 05-11-20 03:45 PM

That's mad, didn't realise that.

I mean it's good really, underdogs takes the pressure off, but when are they going to accept we're the best team in the country FFS!?

Shaggy 05-11-20 03:47 PM

Feels like we could win three more PLs and CLs on the spin and City would still be favourites for the league every year regardless. Lol.

kev776 05-11-20 03:56 PM

-----------Salah

Jota------Bobby------Mane

------Ginni----Hendo

Robbo--Matip--Gomez--TAA

Montana 05-11-20 03:58 PM

Most of the country are still celebrating us losing VVD and in the meantime the LFC machine rolls on racking up wins left, right and centre. Before you know it, we'll be 20 points clear again and everyone will start crying null and void again.

Buzzo 05-11-20 04:17 PM

Lawro predicting a Liverpool defeat for the first time in three years apparently.

He’s got them as 2-0 winners.

Irishnev 05-11-20 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kev776 (Post 3667785)
-----------Salah

Jota------Bobby------Mane

------Ginni----Hendo

Robbo--Matip--Gomez--TAA

This needs to be tried and trusted 4-3-3 for what is arguably our Toughest game of the year. Playing a 2 in midfield without Fab would be madness - we looked wide open vs Sheff U and West Ham - City will rip us apart if we donít have the bodies in midfield

Scratch 05-11-20 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy (Post 3667776)
They're also still favourites for the title. What the fuck? If we win we go 8 points clear.

If they win, they go 2 behind with a game in hand, plus over the course of the season they have a bigger squad to cope with potential injuries and fixture congestion. I don't mind them being favourites, pressure on them to live up to it :)

Montana 05-11-20 05:19 PM

Over the course of the season, the lack of a pre-season for City will cost them, most likely from Feb onwards.

Squad will be crucial of course and also injuries too.

BobTheCharmer 05-11-20 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy (Post 3667776)
They're also still favourites for the title. What the fuck? If we win we go 8 points clear.

I'd make them favourites to beat us to be honest. I think virgil missing is massive and it's the big games I think we'll miss him most. They are capable of killing us when they click and that's even if we have our full strength team let alone a makeshift centre back pairing. We let soft goals in as do they. Should be interesting but virgil for me could be vital.

baitman 05-11-20 06:40 PM

If our midfield step up and stop city having a free run at our defence then we will prevail.

Irishnev 05-11-20 08:26 PM


Tribute 05-11-20 08:26 PM

No Thiago, no Fabinho... hope Matipís passed fit. Looks like weíll have to make do with what weíve got for this Citeh game. Hopefully springing Jota off the bench to smash a couple in late in the second half.

Buzzo 05-11-20 08:52 PM

So annoying. We’ve only seen him for a game and a half and he was dynamite throughout both.

BobTheCharmer 05-11-20 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzo (Post 3667831)
So annoying. Weíve only seen him for a game and a half and he was dynamite throughout both.

We were warned he misses games. Although this was a nasty tackle.

Irishnev 05-11-20 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTheCharmer (Post 3667837)
We were warned he misses games. Although this was a nasty tackle.

He picks up the odd muscle injury but he is a regular player and was available for most of last season. Itís hard to mitigate for him being on the end of an attempted leg breaker.......Iím amazed heís not out for the season

Buzzo 05-11-20 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irishnev (Post 3667845)
He picks up the odd muscle injury but he is a regular player and was available for most of last season. Itís hard to mitigate for him being on the end of an attempted leg breaker.......Iím amazed heís not out for the season

:handshake:

Shaggy 06-11-20 09:52 AM

Will never, ever tire of seeing this.


RedReet 06-11-20 10:05 AM

I thought it was gonna be the Robbo vid against City. :D

Irishnev 06-11-20 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy (Post 3667930)
Will never, ever tire of seeing this.

https://twitter.com/TheAnfieldWrap/s...35052014211072

The pass from Ox on the outside of the boot to create that chance was brilliant - he was so good at that time and then Roma :sigh:

foresterbloke 06-11-20 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedReet (Post 3667933)
I thought it was gonna be the Robbo vid against City. :D


baitman 06-11-20 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foresterbloke (Post 3667955)

love that fighting spirit :rock:

Shaggy 06-11-20 11:51 AM


Pablo 06-11-20 11:53 AM

Shit. Either way I'm glad he's not off to play for Spain but it does leave me concerned the injury is more troublesome than we thought.

Pablo 06-11-20 12:00 PM

Hmm it looks like he's in the background training here if you look carefully so maybe it's just precautionary:


That is him in the background with the red boots on right?

Buzzo 06-11-20 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaggy (Post 3667958)

I think a safety first approach makes sense. I'd rather he missed the City game and internationals and we get him for the rest of the season than rush him back and risk injury over the next 2 weeks.

If we play like we did against Atalanta, City will have their hands full.

Montana 06-11-20 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 3667960)
Hmm it looks like he's in the background training here if you look carefully so maybe it's just precautionary:

https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1324647584061923328

That is him in the background with the red boots on right?

It definitely looks like Thiago there in the background

RedReet 06-11-20 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzo (Post 3667962)
I think a safety first approach makes sense. I'd rather he missed the City game and internationals and we get him for the rest of the season than rush him back and risk injury over the next 2 weeks.

If we play like we did against Atalanta, City will have their hands full.

While that's probably the sensible approach and I'd maybe do the same, it's still a bit hard to stomach if he makes his PL return at the same time as that f*cker Richarlson. :grr:

Buzzo 06-11-20 12:40 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb having watched 'inside training' in its entirity and predict that Jota starts and Bobby remains on the bench.

RedReet 06-11-20 12:45 PM

I've predicted that Bobby will start as he's Klopp's go to man for big games, but I guess Jota has the advantage of being harder to prepare against for Guardiola. Even though he might watch videos and study his style, it will still be hard to prepare as Jota could start in any of teh forward 3 positions and frequently change throughout the game. With Firmino, he's knows exactly what he's up against.

I love Bobby and would find it very hard to drop him, but equally it's hard not to get excited by seeing the same front 3 as Atalanta.

Buzzo 06-11-20 01:00 PM

I thinks it’s impossible to not play Jota just now.

The extended clip they showed didn’t feature any of the starting lineup, but did feature Bobby with Shaq, Milner, Williams etc.

Pepe79 06-11-20 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedReet (Post 3667970)
I've predicted that Bobby will start as he's Klopp's go to man for big games, but I guess Jota has the advantage of being harder to prepare against for Guardiola. Even though he might watch videos and study his style, it will still be hard to prepare as Jota could start in any of teh forward 3 positions and frequently change throughout the game. With Firmino, he's knows exactly what he's up against.

I love Bobby and would find it very hard to drop him, but equally it's hard not to get excited by seeing the same front 3 as Atalanta.

Pepís known what to expect from Firmino since heís been here, itís rarely ever helped him. Bobby is always great at disrupting them in these games, I donít think theyíve ever really found an answer to him. Apart from when weíve been down to 10 men, or still drunk from celebrating the title :D

RedReet 06-11-20 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepe79 (Post 3667972)
Pepís known what to expect from Firmino since heís been here, itís rarely ever helped him. Bobby is always great at disrupting them in these games, I donít think theyíve ever really found an answer to him. Apart from when weíve been down to 10 men, or still drunk from celebrating the title :D

Ha, if we don't win, one set of armchair supporters will have a field day.

Get the 3 points and nobody will care if it's Origi that starts up front.

rudedog 06-11-20 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedReet (Post 3667973)
Ha, if we don't win, one set of armchair supporters will have a field day.

Get the 3 points and nobody will care if it's Origi that starts up front.

Apart from Origi maybe :haha:

Shaggy 06-11-20 01:37 PM


Corndog 06-11-20 04:18 PM

If it were up to me, I'd go for this:

----jota-----------Mane-----------Salah
-------Gini------Hendo----Milner
----Robbo--Gomez--Matip----TAA
------------------Alisson---------

Subs:

Adrian,
Phillips,
Firmino,
Shaqiri,
Tsimikas,
Keita,
Jones

frank the tank 06-11-20 04:33 PM

I think I would agree. Not sure if Milner will start though. Huge call in midfield.

If it was Curtis Jones, then that would be huge backing by Jurgen. Perhaps Keita instead ......but not sure we would start with Keita and Matip both back on their first starts after injury in this game.

To have Shaqiri and one of our front 4 (Bobby or Jota) on the bench is great. Options if we need them.

A win here - without Virgil, Fabinho and Thiago - arguably our 3 best outfield players (and if not "best" then perhaps most important) would be fuckin huge for us.


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