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Maxiedge 11-01-19 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_gun (Post 3527490)
Eh....not fucking chance.

Anyone who refuses to play for us can get fucked for eternity. Irrespective of how good they are / were.

Mascharano is in the same boat. Never understood the love for him after he refused to play for us and forced his way out the club.

It's not so black and white though is it? He did feign back injury (allegedly) to force a move but when he came back and played, the Fab 4 happened. We don't know the pressure he was under from Barca/family at the time. He certainly seemed conflicted.

If he did agree to come back, wouldn't any previous vitriol be bygone? Would you not be willing to forgive him? I think it's something that could work for everyone involved. Only issue would be the family and whether they would back.

spud_gun 11-01-19 01:11 PM

Not a chance. I don't want him anywhere near the club.

Zapater 11-01-19 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_gun (Post 3527490)
Eh....not fucking chance.

Anyone who refuses to play for us can get fucked for eternity. Irrespective of how good they are / were.

Mascharano is in the same boat. Never understood the love for him after he refused to play for us and forced his way out the club.

Unique circumstances. Torres explained it quite well in an interview a while back. Everyone was leaving, promises made were broken. Konchesky and Woy should say more than enough. I blame the club for those, not the players.

Coutinho is a bit different, but would want him back at a cut price deal if available. The squad would undoubtedly be better with him in it than not.

spud_gun 11-01-19 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapater (Post 3527510)
Unique circumstances. Torres explained it quite well in an interview a while back. Everyone was leaving, promises made were broken. Konchesky and Woy should say more than enough. I blame the club for those, not the players.

Coutinho is a bit different, but would want him back at a cut price deal if available. The squad would undoubtedly be better with him in it than not.

Unless the club were witholding his wages then there was no justification.

The situation with the club back then was chaotic agreed.

Irrespective it's unforgivable to take money from the club and then refuse to play.

Zapater 11-01-19 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_gun (Post 3527511)
Unless the club were witholding his wages then there was no justification.

The situation with the club back then was chaotic agreed.

Irrespective it's unforgivable to take money from the club and then refuse to play.

We won the CL and Gerrard put a transfer request to goto Chelsea of all places. I know he did a U-turn but I don't see any real difference between to the two situations. History could have turned out very differently. Wouldn't have been forgiven if it were any other player.

spud_gun 11-01-19 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapater (Post 3527512)
We won the CL and Gerrard put a transfer request to goto Chelsea of all places. I know he did a U-turn but I don't see any real difference between to the two situations. History could have turned out very differently. Wouldn't have been forgiven if it were any other player.

You don't see a difference between putting in a transfer request and refusing to play for the club?

We'll just end the discussion here then :handshake:

Resu 11-01-19 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_gun (Post 3527508)
Not a chance. I don't want him anywhere near the club.

I`m a bit thorn in cases like this. In one way I agree with you, but I`m a believer in giving people a second chance. If he comes back relatively soon, holds up his hands and says "Sorry, I was wrong" I would probably accept it.

dom9 11-01-19 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spud_gun (Post 3527508)
Not a chance. I don't want him anywhere near the club.

Would you prefer him to go to United?

baitman 11-01-19 02:49 PM

Coutinho said he wanted to go to barca, wanted to get cuddles from uncle suarez and live in the sun, so he can fuckin rot...
If he ever came back to the uk then hes even more of a fuckin liar than he was before.

foresterbloke 11-01-19 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dom9 (Post 3527528)
Would you prefer him to go to United?

I'd prefer it if he went to China!

labourRed 11-01-19 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by baitman (Post 3527531)
Coutinho said he wanted to go to barca, wanted to get cuddles from uncle suarez and live in the sun, so he can fuckin rot...
If he ever came back to the uk then hes even more of a fuckin liar than he was before.

There's no talk of him wanting to, barca wouldn't mind it though from the sounds of it. :haha:

He said the only club he'd ever leave us for was Barca, and to be fair there's the brazilian history there so i can see what it meant.

You'd be right if he went to the mancs it'd be treachery of the highest degree.

Personally, i'd take him back, he'd be amazing in our front four.

Phoenix07 11-01-19 03:32 PM

Klopp likes to have players who he feels he can improve further. Apparently, that's part of the reason why he never went for the likes of Aubameyang, Reus etc. I can't remember where I read that (was it the Honigstein book?) He'd already worked with them, and got what he could from them. Working with them again wouldn't have been right for him. I think it's the same with Coutinho.

labourRed 11-01-19 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix07 (Post 3527540)
Klopp likes to have players who he feels he can improve further. Apparently, that's part of the reason why he never went for the likes of Aubameyang, Reus etc. I can't remember where I read that (was it the Honigstein book?) He'd already worked with them, and got what he could from them. Working with them again wouldn't have been right for him. I think it's the same with Coutinho.

No idea what the thinking or lack of was, but Aubameyang would have excelled in our team. Silly money though IIRC.

Pablo 11-01-19 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by labourRed (Post 3527541)
No idea what the thinking or lack of was, but Aubameyang would have excelled in our team. Silly money though IIRC.

He cost them £56m according to Wikipedia.

He's 30 this year so it was a bit of a short term buy.

With 26 goals in 40 appearances so far it's hard to argue it hasn't worked out well for them though.

I'd have taken him!

Phoenix07 11-01-19 04:41 PM

Found the quotes. Make up your own minds on it (Regarding Mkhitaryan).

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“I had that player,” Klopp said in July 2016. “If you have had players, you know more about them. You want to learn about other players. That's how it is.

“I knew quite early that he was going this way (to Old Trafford). There was absolutely no reason for me to jump in there. That isn’t how we work.

“We didn’t look for players we had already worked with. If you do that, you know their good, their bad and you wonder whether you will do it again.

“It’s not boring but you know everything about each other so how can you develop? Where is the next step? Where is the next push for development?

“We could have gone for a lot of players. But, first of all, you have to think: what do I need?”

This does not always stand up to scrutiny, of course. That same summer, Klopp tried to reunite with Mario Gotze, who ended up leaving Bayern Munich to return to Dortmund.

Talks were held with the Germany international but with the Reds unable to offer Champions League football, Gotze wouldn't commit and wanted to keep his options open until after Euro 2016.

Klopp ended the club's pursuit and completed a £30million deal for Sadio Mane instead.

Klopp is also a keen admirer of Christian Pulisic, although the American did not make his first-team debut at Dortmund until the season after Klopp's departure from Westfalenstadion.

Yet the Liverpool boss' words should be heeded. Familiarity might not necessarily breed contempt, but it certainly does not guarantee the desire to be reunited.

If anything, it makes it all the more unlikely.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...eyang-14200909

Pablo 11-01-19 04:48 PM

Thank fuck we went for Mane instead of Gotze

McDermotX 11-01-19 04:49 PM

Chelsea (or ManU at an outside bet) for this lad.

Should go down splendidly round these parts.

Norbs 11-01-19 05:10 PM

Funniest part about this is like fuck he'd want to come back to is anyway :haha:

danperkins 11-01-19 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Norbs (Post 3527556)
Funniest part about this is like fuck he'd want to come back to is anyway :haha:

:haha:

Maxiedge 11-01-19 10:17 PM

:DYes true, but I did see pictures of him back to visit Moreno and Firmino so thereís obviously some sentiment there.

Might be the only reason to keep Moreno:D

Exiled_red 12-01-19 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Norbs (Post 3527556)
Funniest part about this is like fuck he'd want to come back to is anyway :haha:

To us or to England in general?

foresterbloke 12-01-19 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Exiled_red (Post 3527601)
To us or to England in general?

To us I assume.

Norbs 12-01-19 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Exiled_red (Post 3527601)
To us or to England in general?

To us, think he'd try London though if the money was enough but realistically he's destined for PSG

cannotmakeit 12-01-19 04:17 AM

Loan here for the rest of the season could work!

Yozza 13-01-19 01:44 PM

Barcelona & Philippe Coutinho: What's gone wrong for the Brazilian in Spain?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46853050

Fredo 13-01-19 02:14 PM

Is there a chance he ends up at United?

baitman 13-01-19 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo (Post 3528054)
Is there a chance he ends up at United?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...ac0bac6290dd-c

Maxiedge 13-01-19 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo (Post 3528054)
Is there a chance he ends up at United?

Haha not United. I donít think he would do that to us.

If he did leave, in the PL it could be Chelsea but my money would be on him joining his mate at PSG

Nicey 13-01-19 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxiedge (Post 3528057)
Haha not United. I donít think he would do that to us.

If he did leave, in the PL it could be Chelsea but my money would be on him joining his mate at PSG

Anything is possible in Football

Leyton388 13-01-19 05:57 PM

Let's get him back in. They still owe us a fuck ton of money for him so let's come to an agreement and get him back in. Could really help us go to another gear and put the league to bed.

dom9 13-01-19 07:25 PM

He's started today. If anyone is interested.

rodo 13-01-19 08:07 PM

first barca goal was ridiculous oh and messi just scored his 400th barca goal :rock:

cream 13-01-19 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dom9 (Post 3528138)
He's started today. If anyone is interested.

Was fantastic today.

Irishnev 23-01-19 11:34 PM

Sevilla beat Barca 2 nil in the first leg of the Copa del Rey game tonight - Phil getting scapegoated now.



baitman 24-01-19 12:10 AM

Fuckin hell hes gone to dogshit.

Ben yedder please.

Norbs 24-01-19 12:16 AM

My heart bleeds

labourRed 24-01-19 12:29 AM

I don't hanker after any Seville players but that ball by Benega was beautiful.

baitman 24-01-19 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by labourRed (Post 3530278)
I don't hanker after any Seville players but that ball by Benega was beautiful.

Ball player, have a look at Leandro Paredes.

Irishnev 24-01-19 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by baitman (Post 3530281)
Ball player, have a look at Leandro Paredes.

Joining PSG apparently :handshake:

pezzzer 28-01-19 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Leyton388 (Post 3528093)
Let's get him back in. They still owe us a fuck ton of money for him so let's come to an agreement and get him back in. Could really help us go to another gear and put the league to bed.

I'm pretty sure we made them pay 140 mil upfront for him mate, there nuts were in the vice at the time :D


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