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spud_gun 19-01-20 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Norbs (Post 3609502)
He was really odd, laughing at the questions

Geezer's a weirdo

Stress.

Leyton388 20-01-20 12:41 AM

What a twat OGS is playing Rashford knowing he was injured and has now made it a million times worse. The lad is going to have back trouble for the rest of his life now.

Really poor management of a player by a complete buffoon. I feel sorry for Rashford in all this.

Buzzo 20-01-20 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Leyton388 (Post 3609575)
What a twat OGS is playing Rashford knowing he was injured and has now made it a million times worse. The lad is going to have back trouble for the rest of his life now.

Really poor management of a player by a complete buffoon. I feel sorry for Rashford in all this.

Me too :handshake:

https://i.giphy.com/media/giOgF30tDPfkQ/giphy.webp

Harv 20-01-20 03:38 AM

Gashford could've said no. It's not like Smeagal was forcing him onto the pitch.

Players need to have some ownership of their injuries too. He's in all likelihood told them he's fine and wants to play. The club could of course overrule that, but when your best player is telling you he can play then most clubs would go with it if he gets through training etc.

Mr Darko 20-01-20 04:50 AM

Ole's Premier League win rates since permanent appointment:

Games played: 31
Overall wins: 35.4% (11/31)
Wins where United haven't been awarded a penalty: 16.1% (5/31)

:pop:

labourRed 20-01-20 10:50 AM



Hopefully United give him another year, I don't think they've reached their bottom yet.

Alex 20-01-20 11:04 AM

Yeah they can go lower. Its great to see.

Lecter 20-01-20 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Harv (Post 3609592)
Gashford could've said no. It's not like Smeagal was forcing him onto the pitch.

Players need to have some ownership of their injuries too. He's in all likelihood told them he's fine and wants to play. The club could of course overrule that, but when your best player is telling you he can play then most clubs would go with it if he gets through training etc.

The medical staff should have vetoed this

Listen to Klopp talk about players when they are injured one of the first things he always says is that he will defer to whatever the medical staff suggest

Roboklopp 20-01-20 01:11 PM

:point:

Another Scum keeper that’s shit at corners

BREAKING: Manchester United keeper Sergio Romero in crash in his Lamborghini
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ergio-17597148

dom9 20-01-20 04:20 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/19/s....co/dJKOiHztIV



Liverpool Races Away, Leaving United Grasping for Moral Victories

A plan foiled by an early header and a late Mohamed Salah winner exposes the growing chasm in quality that separates two bitter rivals.



By Rory Smith

Jan. 19, 2020

LIVERPOOL, England — The smile that became so familiar in those first few months has long since disappeared. The sense of awe and wonder that he was allowed to be here, at the club that meant so much to him and in the job he never dared dream of holding, has gone, too, melting away some time between spring and fall.

So, too, the nostalgia reflex. At first, in his first weeks as Manchester United manager, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had a tendency, an instinct, to hark back to the club’s golden past, mentioning Barcelona and 1999 and Alex Ferguson so freely and so easily that it seemed to be automatic.



He does not talk about the good old days so much anymore. It is as if he realized some time ago that the job of restoring Manchester United to what it used to be — not so very long past — demands more than a healthy respect for bygone greatness and the rhetoric of romance.


As he sat in front of the news media at Anfield on Sunday night, beaten, 2-0, by the hosts, Solskjaer seemed weary, dejected, a sigh in a club suit. When he returned to Manchester, 13 months ago, it was striking how little he had aged. Solskjaer had always been known, as a player, as the Baby-Faced Assassin, and he was still — even in his mid-40s — somewhat cherubic.

No longer. He looks tired, drawn, grayed, a cautionary testament to the pressure he is under and the responsibility he feels. It was immediately apparent how much losing to Liverpool had hurt him. He had to force himself to concede that his opponent — now 16 points clear at the summit of the Premier League, with a game in hand and a record that reads, Played 22, Won 21 — might just be the best team in England. “At the moment,” he added, more placebo than balm.

Still, he did what he always does; he trawled for positives. His players had retained their “commitment,” he said. That was one. They had “stood up for each other.” That’s two. In the final half-hour, either they made Liverpool “look tired” or United “looked strong.” And all of that without three of his key players, after Marcus Rashford joined Scott McTominay and Paul Pogba on the injury list a few days before Sunday’s game.

This is what all managers do, of course; to some extent it is the whole point of the often futile exercise of the news conference. It is their chance to provide context, to sway a few minds, to make excuses, if necessary. Solskjaer is by no means unique in using it as a stage for self-justification.



And nor is he deluded. Strange as it might be to say after a defeat that sent Liverpool 30 points clear of Manchester United, with almost half a season left to play, Solskjaer has a right to look back on this game with a sense of — if not satisfaction, or encouragement, or any actual positive emotion — then possibility.




United came to Anfield with a plan. For the most part, that plan worked: Liverpool’s fullbacks will have rarely had a less effective afternoon from open play; stymied by United’s back three, the league leader’s fabled forward line could play only in fits and starts, swarming for brief spells but blunted for much of the game; often, Liverpool’s defense seemed hurried in possession, chased and pressed by United’s forwards.

Of course, United rode its luck at times, with Mohamed Salah and Jordan Henderson hitting the post, Roberto Firmino and Georginio Wijnaldum seeing goals ruled out, and Sadio Mané unusually profligate, but then United created chances, too, most notably for Andreas Pereira and Anthony Martial.



Not too much would have had to change for Solskjaer to have left Liverpool with a point, in other words, and a sense of purpose. Though he would not describe it like this, there were, all over the field, small victories to be savored: Brandon Williams’s performance on the left; Fred’s energy and dynamism in the middle, further proof of a player finding his feet in England; a tactical approach to negating Liverpool that bore fruit.

The problem, of course, is that the very best teams can hurt opponents in many and varied ways. Liverpool could not find its rhythm in possession and, until the final kick of the game, was indecisive on the counterattack. So after 15 minutes it scored from a corner, instead. It is possible to frustrate this Liverpool team. It does not — yet — appear to be impossible to dull it entirely.



Salah and the rest of Liverpool’s fearsome front line were held in check for most of Sunday’s match.Credit...Phil Noble/Reuters

The last time United came here, Liverpool won, too. That 3-1 victory, in December 2018, sent Jürgen Klopp’s team 19 points ahead of its old foe, and it cost José Mourinho his job. A couple days later, United called Solskjaer and asked him to guide the team through the remainder of the season. He could not say no.



A little more than a year later, here we are again. The gap between the two has grown. There is no prospect of Solskjaer’s suffering the same fate as his predecessor, of course, something that is perhaps proof of how far United has fallen: defeat to Liverpool can now be shrugged off as something that happens, something to be expected, the natural order of things.

In part, that is because United has found a remarkable tendency in the last year or so to savor those small victories: the ones that do not add up to any tangible achievement, but the ones that offer an illusion of hope, a mirage of progress.

The most egregious example came after a defeat to Manchester City in the first leg of the league cup semifinals earlier this month. The fact that City fielded a full-strength team, Solskjaer said, showed how seriously it took Manchester United, how far the team that used to cast a shadow over not only its city but the country has come.

But perhaps the best is Solskjaer’s ability — a happy knack — to concoct a win just when he needs it most. It happened against Tottenham, and then City, back in December; there had been a sense, at the start of that week, that two defeats might force the club’s board to act. It did not need to. Solskjaer claimed two small victories. United lost at Watford, then adrift at the bottom of the Premier League, not long after, but by then the storm had passed.



This is the cycle United finds itself trapped in; it is, as it happens, one that Liverpool fans will remember. There is always a glimmer of hope: a young player coming through, a system that seems promising, a game in which things seem to click, some small victory to cling to. It is beguiling, and it is appealing, and it is understandable, but it is also a distraction.

You fixate on the glimmer, and lose sight of where you are standing, where you are going, how far you are falling. Solskjaer, as he reviewed the game, felt Manchester United — the biggest club in England, and at the start of the decade a serial winner of trophies at home and abroad — lacked just one thing. “We just didn’t have that quality,” he said, as though that had to be expected, as though it might suddenly reappear, as though that was entirely normal. Perhaps it is, now. Perhaps that is why the smile has gone

McDermotX 20-01-20 05:41 PM

Post of the year already on a ManU thread elsewhere :haha:

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United text me Happy Birthday today. Not my birthday for 3 days. Can't even get that right.

Fivex 20-01-20 05:48 PM

I don't think that's the post of the year tbh honest imo :handshake:

dom9 20-01-20 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fivex (Post 3609729)
I don't think that's the post of the year tbh honest imo :handshake:

:handshake:

Not even worth posting if we're being honest.

McDermotX 20-01-20 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fivex (Post 3609729)
I don't think that's the post of the year tbh honest imo :handshake:

:handshake:
A slight exaggeration you might say, but makes a break from the interminably boring and flappy copy and paste jobs from The Athletic which are infesting the various football boards. Which have little to say, and all the space on the internet to do it.

dom9 20-01-20 06:00 PM

Meh, cba

Cormack74 20-01-20 07:51 PM

Couple of people in the media saying Rashford will be out 3 months not 6 weeks.

And I caught 5 mins of SSN where they wheeled out a back surgeon who said the same. And if any stage of that 3 month period doesn't go to plan he could well be starting from scratch.

Then Jamie O'Hara (ex Spurs?) was interviewed - he'd had the same injury - and said even after he was supposedly "fit" he still suffered ongoing pain and it was never completely right.

Mr Pink 20-01-20 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cormack74 (Post 3609746)
Then Jamie O'Hara (ex Spurs?) was interviewed - he'd had the same injury - and said even after he was supposedly "fit" he still suffered ongoing pain and it was never completely right.


I like that part about the ongoing pain. Hope he suffers with it, long after he retires.

Fivex 20-01-20 08:17 PM

You referring to O’Hara?

Assume so since Rashford hasn’t done much to get to this elite level of loathing.

(...yet)

Norbs 20-01-20 08:19 PM

That's weird, Pink

And what's O'Hara done Fivex, apart from being a bit of a bell?

Exiled_red 20-01-20 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Darko (Post 3609593)
Ole's Premier League win rates since permanent appointment:

Games played: 31
Overall wins: 35.4% (11/31)
Wins where United haven't been awarded a penalty: 16.1% (5/31)

:pop:

Is that 'where they haven't had a pen' stat for real? :jaw:

Leyton388 20-01-20 09:41 PM

Its fucking glorious that united are in the wilderness

ChesterDave 20-01-20 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Exiled_red (Post 3609762)
Is that 'where they haven't had a pen' stat for real? :jaw:

Well it's obviously very selective as it is counting the games where they had a penalty in the total but excluding the wins. Really, it should only total games with no penalty.

peekay 20-01-20 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cormack74 (Post 3609746)
Couple of people in the media saying Rashford will be out 3 months not 6 weeks.

And I caught 5 mins of SSN where they wheeled out a back surgeon who said the same. And if any stage of that 3 month period doesn't go to plan he could well be starting from scratch.

Then Jamie O'Hara (ex Spurs?) was interviewed - he'd had the same injury - and said even after he was supposedly "fit" he still suffered ongoing pain and it was never completely right.

Unbelievable bit of management from the Gollum and Manc medical staff. Find it hard to believe this is happening in this day and age, given how much medical care has advanced. Gross negligence from everyone involved.

Exiled_red 21-01-20 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ChesterDave (Post 3609766)
Well it's obviously very selective as it is counting the games where they had a penalty in the total but excluding the wins. Really, it should only total games with no penalty.

Total stats say they have 11 wins from 31 games, they have won 5 games were they haven't been awarded a pen. meaning that of the 11 games they have won in 6 they have been awarded a penalty and only 5 where they haven't (unless I am missing something)

ChesterDave 21-01-20 01:20 AM

To me it looks like standard manipulation to emphasise a point. Sort of stat where team a hasn't beaten b in the league for 20 years but for 18 of those they played in different divisions.

The matches they have had a penalty should come of both sides of the equation really.

Harv 21-01-20 10:04 AM


HAHA! Camel lipped twat

Norbs 21-01-20 11:25 AM

He looks like he's wearing a straight jacket and in a padded cell

Pablo 21-01-20 02:51 PM

Even after all he achieved in his playing career, he's still going to be remembered most for the "Ole's at the wheel" thing. :D

Roboklopp 21-01-20 02:54 PM

:haha: Aye.

Red_Polo 21-01-20 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 3609839)
Even after all he achieved in his playing career, he's still going to be remembered most for the "Ole's at the wheel" thing. :D


Phoenix07 21-01-20 05:02 PM

Solskjaer channeling his inner Hodgson.

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He said: "We lost to Liverpool. A team that you all say are fantastic and we've been in the game until the last kick of the ball. For me, that's strides forward.

"Of course we're disappointed about losing the game. We don't want to be behind them in the league. But there are signs there that we're on the right track, definitely."

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...verpool-defeat

shanks69 21-01-20 06:04 PM

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...verpool-defeat

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Kenneth 21-01-20 06:22 PM

Good

Chris 21-01-20 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix07 (Post 3609867)
Solskjaer channeling his inner Hodgson.

:haha: Hilarious how he can't properly bring himself to say how good we are, instead choosing to say "you all say Liverpool are fantastic" and still keeps referring to Man City as "the best team in the world" yet is happy to hide behind a plucky defeat to us as some sort of major progress. He's an absolute prick. I can't believe they don't have lads down the training ground hounding this fella out, "legend" or not. The Rashford stuff alone should be a sacking offence. But long may he stay the bitter little, fake cunt.

Harv 22-01-20 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Red_Polo (Post 3609845)

Never gets old :D

Lecter 22-01-20 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 3609875)
:haha: Hilarious how he can't properly bring himself to say how good we are, instead choosing to say "you all say Liverpool are fantastic" and still keeps referring to Man City as "the best team in the world" yet is happy to hide behind a plucky defeat to us as some sort of major progress. He's an absolute prick. I can't believe they don't have lads down the training ground hounding this fella out, "legend" or not. The Rashford stuff alone should be a sacking offence. But long may he stay the bitter little, fake cunt.

:haha::handshake:

frank the tank 22-01-20 10:58 PM

This is the gift that keeps giving

Roboklopp 22-01-20 11:01 PM

It’s too good, they’re bound to sack him now surely.

McDermotX 22-01-20 11:07 PM

Yeah......think that might be it TBH.

Buzzo 22-01-20 11:08 PM

This sums up the mood on RedCafe :rock:

In the 'Has this season hit rock bottom for you yet? If no, what, in particular, will be the final nails in the coffin'? Thread.

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Yup rock bottom here. Not even mad. Just accepting. At least when youre mad its because you have some fight in you. Its a good side of that anger emotion. However when youre completely resigned to whatever happens, yes thats rock bottom.
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There is always a lower rock bottom. This isnt the end. The longer this goes without filling up positions with competence and changes, the lower it can go.
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I stopped caring a long time ago. You should skip watching the games like I've done too, there are far better things to do with your time than watching that crap.
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Rock Bottom ? Not yet. Watching Liverpool win the league and the board expressing their backing for Ole might just send me over the edge though.


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