Jamie Carragher

[RichC]

he was dreadful, we need to phase him out and soon - been a superb servant to the club but it's time for a change of the guard.

[banditos]

He's clearly on the decline but not a lot Kenny can do at the moment when everyone else keeps getting injured!

Well Skrtel and Coates aren't, although I'm always nervous whenever Skrtel is near the penalty area. I guess he's also suspended for a game too.

[Assassin]

Kenny has a ruthless streak, if he believes a players time is up he will be gone. He done it with Alan Kennedy and Phil Neal, so it will happen with Carragher as well

[Daniel 7]

Suspension and injuries...

I suppose this means Wilson will get a shout? Depending on Agger's injury obvs. And surely only to the bench?

[Assassin]

Well Skrtel and Coates aren't, although I'm always nervous whenever Skrtel is near the penalty area. I guess he's also suspended for a game too.

Skrtel and Adam will only be suspended for the Brighton game

[Red_Polo]

I reckon Wilson will play against Brighton, but it should be Coates and Carra come next weekend.

Carra does need phasing out, but right now better alternatives are not available!

[Chris]

Well Skrtel and Coates aren't, although I'm always nervous whenever Skrtel is near the penalty area. I guess he's also suspended for a game too.

Yes but Johnson and Kelly have been out so Skrtel played on the right. I know Carragher is seen as evil on here but not sure Flanagan, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique would be much different.

[banditos]

Skrtel and Adam will only be suspended for the Brighton game

Of course. . No lack of options then.

[BootRoom]

Carragher became a regular a lot earlier:

Season League FA LC Europe Other Total
1996-1997 2 0 1 0 0 3
1997-1998 20 0 2 1 0 23
1998-1999 34 2 2 6 0 44
1999-2000 36 2 2 0 0 40
2000-2001 34 6 6 12 0 58
2001-2002 33 2 1 16 1 53
2002-2003 35 3 5 11 0 54
2003-2004 22 3 0 4 0 29
2004-2005 38 0 3 15 0 56
2005-2006 36 6 0 13 2 57
2006-2007 35 1 1 13 1 51
2007-2008 35 4 3 13 0 55
2008-2009 38 3 1 12 0 54
2009-2010 37 2 1 13 0 53
2010-2011 28 0 0 10 0 38
2011-2012 4 0 0 0 0 4

On the note of man utd, they have a very good organizer in Ferdinand IMO, and you hear very little of the organizational quality of any defender in the media despite the importance to a team. You only hear that they have a well organized defense.

On the older defenders doing well, Hyypia springs to mind, Adams, Keown, Desailly and there are most likely others. Age is just a poor measurement as an ability, when in reality it comes down to much more than that.

They seem to be doing ok without his 'organisational skills'. And no Vidic either, ****ing hell.

Ability is way more important than 'organisational skills'. If a player doesn't warrant a place in the side on ability alone then he shouldn't be in the side. The End.

[BootRoom]

What I will add is this argument for playing Carra because he organises the defence is complete and utter bollocks.
Our defence was pretty well organised before he became a regular and will be after he stops being a first choice pick. That's the job of Steve Clarke positionally and collectively the 4 that play at the back will work as a unit.
Skrtel and Coates are both internationals so whichever one comes in is more than capable of pointing fingers in someones direction ans shouting.

Pick or don't pick Carra based purely on ability and form alone, this organisation bull**** is used to ignore the real problems which is age, pace (or lack of it), mobility and a infuriating fettish with launching the ball long, high and aimlessly.

And btw those who were questioning Kenny earlier as to whether he has the balls to drop him? too ****ing right he does, he is exactly the right person to make this decision.

If Kenny continues to pick Carra then I'm 100% behind the decision, personally I would have been looking at alternative centre back pairings last season and certainly now that we have signed Coates

[Exiled_red]

Suspension and injuries...

I suppose this means Wilson will get a shout? Depending on Agger's injury obvs. And surely only to the bench?

I'd completely forgotten about him

[Mostar]

He's clearly on the decline but not a lot Kenny can do at the moment when everyone else keeps getting injured!

Aye.

As much as I also think he should be phased out starting right away,Skrtel is not consistent enough imo to be the first team option, Agger's injury woes are all too familiar issue and Coates needs time to adopt to PL.

It will happen but not so much this season.

[The Birdman]

I'm not Skrtel's biggest fan and I know he is suspended for the Brighton game but he played every minute in the PL last season (I think?? didn't he??) or something like that.

I can't watch when he plays right back, centre half he isn't so bad - not first choice but a more than adequte back up.

[Shaggy]

Agreed.

[Darkon]

They seem to be doing ok without his 'organisational skills'. And no Vidic either, ****ing hell.

Ability is way more important than 'organisational skills'. If a player doesn't warrant a place in the side on ability alone then he shouldn't be in the side. The End.

Aye, they are doing far to well

But I still hold that it is an ability to be captain of the defense and organising it as well as physcial attributes and technique when tackling etc. Or I should say a set of abilities that enables you to do so. Agger has them as well IMO, but Skrtel I don't have the greatest confidence in that respect.