Arsenal - Page 115

The_weatherman · 22-01-19, 09:24 AM

Sad news about Bellerin, he's out for the season now, at least. Emery says he can't buy any players in January which leaves them in a bit of a bother at right back, Lichtsteiner is not cutting it at all.

gratziani · 22-01-19, 10:17 AM

How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders

Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)

The_weatherman · 22-01-19, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gratziani

How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders

Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)

It's a bit weird, I thought they had considerable cash reserves.

gratziani · 22-01-19, 12:21 PM

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It's a bit weird, I thought they had considerable cash reserves.

Especially with Kroenke and his money

baitman · 22-01-19, 12:30 PM

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Especially with Kroenke and his money

Hes ~~loaned~~ gifted it all to the everton billionaire Moshiri

dom9 · 22-01-19, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gratziani

How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders

Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)

Goes to show how important Champions League football still is, per the FSG thread.

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Especially with Kroenke and his money

Has he ever spent much (any) of his own money on transfers?

Arsenal have always struck me as a club very much managed within its means.

gratziani · 22-01-19, 02:55 PM

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Goes to show how important Champions League football still is, per the FSG thread.

Has he ever spent much (any) of his own money on transfers?

Arsenal have always struck me as a club very much managed within its means.

I get that they have been managed well , but to not have any money for a defender when they have 2 long term injuries in Bellerin and Holding

Guess they will go mad on the last day of the window

Robbie-9-Fowler · 22-01-19, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gratziani

How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders

Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)

I'd say there are maybe 3 reasons why they don't have much to spend and I don't think Kronke being tight is big part of it.

1) They spend a big on Aubameyang the window before Emery Arrived.

2) They pay ridiculous wages, not just to Ozil, but their younger squad players somehow manage to negotiate deals of £50k-£60k/w

3) When they sell a player, they very rarely get a decent fee and in a few cases now players run their contracts down and walk away for nothing.

Sanchez was still a top player when he left, they exchanged him with Mkhitaryan who they pay £200k/w

Ramsey would easily be worth £30m+ maybe £40m regardless of his contract running down, yet he walks for free.

In comparison, we've spent a small fortune but have recouped the vast majority from Coutinho, a player we developed and moved on with 4-5 years remaining on his deal.

We also sell players like Smith (£8m), Ibe (£15m), Solanke (£19m) and Ward (£12m) which is just unbelievable business when you look at it. The list doesn't stop their though we got a decent fee for Stewart too when we bought Robertson and IIRC got something like £5m for loaning Origi out for a year.

They have similar levels of income to us, they just manage it pathetically.

Pablo · 22-01-19, 04:34 PM

When FSG came in John Henry name-checked Arsenal as the example of how to run a football club.

Buzzo · 22-01-19, 05:48 PM

Bellerin our for the season.

Norbs · 22-01-19, 05:52 PM

Ouch

gratziani · 22-01-19, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie-9-Fowler

I'd say there are maybe 3 reasons why they don't have much to spend and I don't think Kronke being tight is big part of it.

1) They spend a big on Aubameyang the window before Emery Arrived.

2) They pay ridiculous wages, not just to Ozil, but their younger squad players somehow manage to negotiate deals of £50k-£60k/w

3) When they sell a player, they very rarely get a decent fee and in a few cases now players run their contracts down and walk away for nothing.

Sanchez was still a top player when he left, they exchanged him with Mkhitaryan who they pay £200k/w

Ramsey would easily be worth £30m+ maybe £40m regardless of his contract running down, yet he walks for free.

In comparison, we've spent a small fortune but have recouped the vast majority from Coutinho, a player we developed and moved on with 4-5 years remaining on his deal.

We also sell players like Smith (£8m), Ibe (£15m), Solanke (£19m) and Ward (£12m) which is just unbelievable business when you look at it. The list doesn't stop their though we got a decent fee for Stewart too when we bought Robertson and IIRC got something like £5m for loaning Origi out for a year.

They have similar levels of income to us, they just manage it pathetically.

Good points

Sanchez and Ramsey could have easy brought in 100 million if they managed better

dom9 · 22-01-19, 10:08 PM

And Can could have brought in £50m for usat the current prices.

Players leave for free at all clubs.

Norbs · 22-01-19, 10:27 PM

And they cashed in on AOC so added £35m to the club which they'd have lost out on 6 months later

The_weatherman · 23-01-19, 09:22 AM

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And Can could have brought in £50m for usat the current prices.

Players leave for free at all clubs.

But in our case it was in part due to us not meeting his demands for a release clause, I do think it's more of a problem for Arsenal recently.

They don't seem to have any long term vision going on, getting in players like Sokratis and Lichtsteiner, with Koscielny aging, handing out a huge contract for Ozil but running down contracts for other players.

This summer, they have Ramsey, Monreal, Welbeck and Jenkinson out of contracts, having lost AOC and Wilshere recently and Cech is retiring as well.

dom9 · 23-01-19, 09:36 AM

Well, each individual case has its own ins and outs.

I guess we've also been "fortunate" that rather than our very best players wanting to stubbornly see out their contracts, they've wanted just to leave there and then.

labourRed · 23-01-19, 09:59 AM

I think the wages at Arsenal are pretty decent. They've had a rigid pay structure at that club for ages, only recently loosening for Aubameyang and Ozil, the latter of which seems a total disaster. But comparatively we spend more than they do, or more to the point our wage spend is about 57% and theirs is around a more ideal 50%. Still both under 60% which is considered to be the danger line.

On a spreadsheet you'd say they were the better run football club but clearly it isn't. Their transfer approach is shite (they just ditched the Dortmund fella) and being out of CL football is crucial.

In terms of bottom line on spending they are only £100m ahead of us over the last five years which for clubs with that turnover is nothing really. It's more to do with buying the right players for their team which for some reason Arsenal seem to leave it for 5years before sorting out. Gk, DCM, etc.

So what, basically on the pitch they are shite which IMO directly affects their off pitch performance. Catch 22

The_weatherman · 23-01-19, 10:54 AM

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Well, each individual case has its own ins and outs.

I guess we've also been "fortunate" that rather than our very best players wanting to stubbornly see out their contracts, they've wanted just to leave there and then.

Lucky us

But who have they sold for a profit recently though? The Coutinho sale really allowed us to move a step forward.

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I think the wages at Arsenal are pretty decent. They've had a rigid pay structure at that club for ages, only recently loosening for Aubameyang and Ozil, the latter of which seems a total disaster. But comparatively we spend more than they do, or more to the point our wage spend is about 57% and theirs is around a more ideal 50%. Still both under 60% which is considered to be the danger line.

On a spreadsheet you'd say they were the better run football club but clearly it isn't. Their transfer approach is shite (they just ditched the Dortmund fella) and being out of CL football is crucial.

In terms of bottom line on spending they are only £100m ahead of us over the last five years which for clubs with that turnover is nothing really. It's more to do with buying the right players for their team which for some reason Arsenal seem to leave it for 5years before sorting out. Gk, DCM, etc.

So what, basically on the pitch they are shite which IMO directly affects their off pitch performance. Catch 22

Right now they seem to be suffering a bit, but they'll probably be OK soon enough, they have the resources, just need more long term planning on the pitch.

peekay · 23-01-19, 05:33 PM

We have Klopp, they don't. Edwards has been brilliant, but I don't think he would look as impressive as he does without Klopp's ability to coach and develop players and make them look twice as good in his system.

dom9 · 25-01-19, 03:20 PM

Lots of analysis on Arsenal's accounts (now and historic) here:

Many interesting tweets, but this one perhaps stands out the most.

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McDermotX · 25-01-19, 09:29 PM

Classic Arsenal.

30mins....2 down at home.

danperkins · 25-01-19, 10:53 PM

Average manager

Fredo · 25-01-19, 11:01 PM

Far too early. His record says otherwise though.

The_weatherman · 26-01-19, 02:14 PM

Interesting times ahead for Arsenal, it's vital for them to get back into the CL but they need to get a quality defender in now to have chance to do so. On and off the pitch they are facing some challenges.

Slinky Skills · 26-01-19, 03:11 PM

Fucking hell they were poor at the back yesterday, getting dragged all over the place and were a total disorganised mess. They got sucked into the same thing every time by United on the counter. United's goals were decent to be fair and they were incisive but Arsenal were shocking at the back. Their back line is slow as fuck too.

labourRed · 26-01-19, 03:19 PM

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Interesting times ahead for Arsenal, it's vital for them to get back into the CL but they need to get a quality defender in now to have chance to do so. On and off the pitch they are facing some challenges.

Yeah, people think we've got problems with three fit CBs. They're fucked back there now.

I think they'll finish the league in 6th, certainly no chance of CL football next year, again.

The_weatherman · 26-01-19, 04:43 PM

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Yeah, people think we've got problems with three fit CBs. They're fucked back there now.

I think they'll finish the league in 6th, certainly no chance of CL football next year, again.

But they are trying do a deal for Perisic? Weird that one.

dom9 · 27-01-19, 06:03 PM

Socratis out for 6 weeks.

They're shot.

labourRed · 27-01-19, 06:28 PM

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But they are trying do a deal for Perisic? Weird that one.

Well, they are lacking width as well. And transfers take a while to line up, they only just lost two CBs on Friday night. That's pretty unlucky in fairness.

I'd be surprised if they didn't get some emergency cover in but i don't really care, they'll still be shit.

Phoenix07 · 11-02-19, 06:19 PM

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Arsenal midfielder Aaron Ramsey has signed a pre-contract agreement to join Juventus in the summer in a deal that will earn him over £400,000 a week.

The 28-year-old has agreed a four-year contract that will see him join the Italian champions as a free agent, ending his 11-year spell with Arsenal.

Ramsey passed a two-part medical in January, having picked Juve following talks with a host of European clubs.

He will be the highest-earning British player ever based on basic salary.

The Wales international's Arsenal contract expires on 30 June and the Gunners will receive no fee when he leaves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47203118