22-01-19, 09:24 AM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Sad news about Bellerin, he's out for the season now, at least. Emery says he can't buy any players in January which leaves them in a bit of a bother at right back, Lichtsteiner is not cutting it at all.
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22-01-19, 10:17 AM
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Dalglish
Join Date: Dec 2006
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How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders
Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)
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22-01-19, 10:38 AM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gratziani
How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders
Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)
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It's a bit weird, I thought they had considerable cash reserves.
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22-01-19, 12:21 PM
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Dalglish
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_weatherman
It's a bit weird, I thought they had considerable cash reserves.
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Especially with Kroenke and his money
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22-01-19, 12:30 PM
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Daddy day care
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gratziani
Especially with Kroenke and his money
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Hes loaned gifted it all to the everton billionaire Moshiri
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too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all, but not VVD or Alisson
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22-01-19, 12:37 PM
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Ant Pisser
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gratziani
How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders
Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)
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Goes to show how important Champions League football still is, per the FSG thread.
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Originally Posted by gratziani
Especially with Kroenke and his money
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Has he ever spent much (any) of his own money on transfers?
Arsenal have always struck me as a club very much managed within its means.
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22-01-19, 02:55 PM
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Dalglish
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dom9
Goes to show how important Champions League football still is, per the FSG thread.
Has he ever spent much (any) of his own money on transfers?
Arsenal have always struck me as a club very much managed within its means.
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I get that they have been managed well , but to not have any money for a defender when they have 2 long term injuries in Bellerin and Holding
Guess they will go mad on the last day of the window
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22-01-19, 04:23 PM
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gratziani
How can they have no money for a new manager when he needs defenders
Pity as would be good if they competed with the other clubs like United and Chelsea (also rans)
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I'd say there are maybe 3 reasons why they don't have much to spend and I don't think Kronke being tight is big part of it.
1) They spend a big on Aubameyang the window before Emery Arrived.
2) They pay ridiculous wages, not just to Ozil, but their younger squad players somehow manage to negotiate deals of £50k-£60k/w
3) When they sell a player, they very rarely get a decent fee and in a few cases now players run their contracts down and walk away for nothing.
Sanchez was still a top player when he left, they exchanged him with Mkhitaryan who they pay £200k/w
Ramsey would easily be worth £30m+ maybe £40m regardless of his contract running down, yet he walks for free.
In comparison, we've spent a small fortune but have recouped the vast majority from Coutinho, a player we developed and moved on with 4-5 years remaining on his deal.
We also sell players like Smith (£8m), Ibe (£15m), Solanke (£19m) and Ward (£12m) which is just unbelievable business when you look at it. The list doesn't stop their though we got a decent fee for Stewart too when we bought Robertson and IIRC got something like £5m for loaning Origi out for a year.
They have similar levels of income to us, they just manage it pathetically.
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22-01-19, 04:34 PM
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Anti-Antipodeanite
Join Date: May 2007
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When FSG came in John Henry name-checked Arsenal as the example of how to run a football club.
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22-01-19, 05:48 PM
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Donald Buzzworth
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Bellerin our for the season.
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22-01-19, 05:52 PM
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Big Girl's Blouse
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 25,846
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Ouch
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22-01-19, 08:59 PM
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Dalglish
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie-9-Fowler
I'd say there are maybe 3 reasons why they don't have much to spend and I don't think Kronke being tight is big part of it.
1) They spend a big on Aubameyang the window before Emery Arrived.
2) They pay ridiculous wages, not just to Ozil, but their younger squad players somehow manage to negotiate deals of £50k-£60k/w
3) When they sell a player, they very rarely get a decent fee and in a few cases now players run their contracts down and walk away for nothing.
Sanchez was still a top player when he left, they exchanged him with Mkhitaryan who they pay £200k/w
Ramsey would easily be worth £30m+ maybe £40m regardless of his contract running down, yet he walks for free.
In comparison, we've spent a small fortune but have recouped the vast majority from Coutinho, a player we developed and moved on with 4-5 years remaining on his deal.
We also sell players like Smith (£8m), Ibe (£15m), Solanke (£19m) and Ward (£12m) which is just unbelievable business when you look at it. The list doesn't stop their though we got a decent fee for Stewart too when we bought Robertson and IIRC got something like £5m for loaning Origi out for a year.
They have similar levels of income to us, they just manage it pathetically.
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Good points 
Sanchez and Ramsey could have easy brought in 100 million if they managed better
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22-01-19, 10:08 PM
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Ant Pisser
Join Date: Aug 2006
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And Can could have brought in £50m for usat the current prices.
Players leave for free at all clubs.
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22-01-19, 10:27 PM
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Big Girl's Blouse
Join Date: Jun 2007
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And they cashed in on AOC so added £35m to the club which they'd have lost out on 6 months later
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23-01-19, 09:22 AM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dom9
And Can could have brought in £50m for usat the current prices.
Players leave for free at all clubs.
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But in our case it was in part due to us not meeting his demands for a release clause, I do think it's more of a problem for Arsenal recently.
They don't seem to have any long term vision going on, getting in players like Sokratis and Lichtsteiner, with Koscielny aging, handing out a huge contract for Ozil but running down contracts for other players.
This summer, they have Ramsey, Monreal, Welbeck and Jenkinson out of contracts, having lost AOC and Wilshere recently and Cech is retiring as well.
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23-01-19, 09:36 AM
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Ant Pisser
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Well, each individual case has its own ins and outs.
I guess we've also been "fortunate" that rather than our very best players wanting to stubbornly see out their contracts, they've wanted just to leave there and then.
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23-01-19, 09:59 AM
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2015
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I think the wages at Arsenal are pretty decent. They've had a rigid pay structure at that club for ages, only recently loosening for Aubameyang and Ozil, the latter of which seems a total disaster. But comparatively we spend more than they do, or more to the point our wage spend is about 57% and theirs is around a more ideal 50%. Still both under 60% which is considered to be the danger line.
On a spreadsheet you'd say they were the better run football club but clearly it isn't. Their transfer approach is shite (they just ditched the Dortmund fella) and being out of CL football is crucial.
In terms of bottom line on spending they are only £100m ahead of us over the last five years which for clubs with that turnover is nothing really. It's more to do with buying the right players for their team which for some reason Arsenal seem to leave it for 5years before sorting out. Gk, DCM, etc.
So what, basically on the pitch they are shite which IMO directly affects their off pitch performance. Catch 22
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23-01-19, 10:54 AM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dom9
Well, each individual case has its own ins and outs.
I guess we've also been "fortunate" that rather than our very best players wanting to stubbornly see out their contracts, they've wanted just to leave there and then. 
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 Lucky us  But who have they sold for a profit recently though? The Coutinho sale really allowed us to move a step forward.
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Originally Posted by labourRed
I think the wages at Arsenal are pretty decent. They've had a rigid pay structure at that club for ages, only recently loosening for Aubameyang and Ozil, the latter of which seems a total disaster. But comparatively we spend more than they do, or more to the point our wage spend is about 57% and theirs is around a more ideal 50%. Still both under 60% which is considered to be the danger line.
On a spreadsheet you'd say they were the better run football club but clearly it isn't. Their transfer approach is shite (they just ditched the Dortmund fella) and being out of CL football is crucial.
In terms of bottom line on spending they are only £100m ahead of us over the last five years which for clubs with that turnover is nothing really. It's more to do with buying the right players for their team which for some reason Arsenal seem to leave it for 5years before sorting out. Gk, DCM, etc.
So what, basically on the pitch they are shite which IMO directly affects their off pitch performance. Catch 22
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Right now they seem to be suffering a bit, but they'll probably be OK soon enough, they have the resources, just need more long term planning on the pitch.
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23-01-19, 05:33 PM
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Dr.
Join Date: Jun 2007
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We have Klopp, they don't. Edwards has been brilliant, but I don't think he would look as impressive as he does without Klopp's ability to coach and develop players and make them look twice as good in his system.
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25-01-19, 03:20 PM
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Ant Pisser
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Lots of analysis on Arsenal's accounts (now and historic) here:
Many interesting tweets, but this one perhaps stands out the most.
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25-01-19, 09:29 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 28,096
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Classic Arsenal.
30mins....2 down at home.
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25-01-19, 10:53 PM
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Martin Skrtel can win a game of Connect Four in three moves
Join Date: May 2010
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Average manager
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25-01-19, 11:01 PM
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Not to be taken seriously
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 31,274
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Far too early. His record says otherwise though.
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26-01-19, 02:14 PM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,944
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Interesting times ahead for Arsenal, it's vital for them to get back into the CL but they need to get a quality defender in now to have chance to do so. On and off the pitch they are facing some challenges.
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26-01-19, 03:11 PM
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Micka "don't f*** with me" Wallace
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Fucking hell they were poor at the back yesterday, getting dragged all over the place and were a total disorganised mess. They got sucked into the same thing every time by United on the counter. United's goals were decent to be fair and they were incisive but Arsenal were shocking at the back. Their back line is slow as fuck too.
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26-01-19, 03:19 PM
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_weatherman
Interesting times ahead for Arsenal, it's vital for them to get back into the CL but they need to get a quality defender in now to have chance to do so. On and off the pitch they are facing some challenges.
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Yeah, people think we've got problems with three fit CBs. They're fucked back there now.
I think they'll finish the league in 6th, certainly no chance of CL football next year, again.
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26-01-19, 04:43 PM
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Smug
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by labourRed
Yeah, people think we've got problems with three fit CBs. They're fucked back there now.
I think they'll finish the league in 6th, certainly no chance of CL football next year, again.
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But they are trying do a deal for Perisic? Weird that one.
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27-01-19, 06:03 PM
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Ant Pisser
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 61,744
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Socratis out for 6 weeks.
They're shot.
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27-01-19, 06:28 PM
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Shankly
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 5,956
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_weatherman
But they are trying do a deal for Perisic? Weird that one.
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Well, they are lacking width as well. And transfers take a while to line up, they only just lost two CBs on Friday night. That's pretty unlucky in fairness.
I'd be surprised if they didn't get some emergency cover in but i don't really care, they'll still be shit.
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11-02-19, 06:19 PM
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The Normal One
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Arsenal midfielder Aaron Ramsey has signed a pre-contract agreement to join Juventus in the summer in a deal that will earn him over £400,000 a week.
The 28-year-old has agreed a four-year contract that will see him join the Italian champions as a free agent, ending his 11-year spell with Arsenal.
Ramsey passed a two-part medical in January, having picked Juve following talks with a host of European clubs.
He will be the highest-earning British player ever based on basic salary.
The Wales international's Arsenal contract expires on 30 June and the Gunners will receive no fee when he leaves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47203118
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11-02-19, 08:12 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Nov 2007
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11-02-19, 08:18 PM
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Big Girl's Blouse
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Bonkers
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11-02-19, 08:21 PM
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aka liverpooltj
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 25,276
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Cant blame him for that wage. I'd fuck off to Italy as well.
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11-02-19, 08:26 PM
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Big Girl's Blouse
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Is his agent Derren Brown?
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11-02-19, 08:52 PM
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The Wisp
Join Date: Nov 2006
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You also forgot to put the “Ramsey passed a 2-part medical” in bold, which is just as  worthy.
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11-02-19, 11:02 PM
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Shankly
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Turin is a shithole but for 400 hundred grand a week I'd be up for it
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11-02-19, 11:08 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Oct 2010
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I'd settle for 3 month's of that. Ideally mid May to mid August
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11-02-19, 11:27 PM
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Big Girl's Blouse
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 25,846
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1 week of it would allow me to retire. Puts it right in to perspective
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14-02-19, 09:49 PM
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Big Girl's Blouse
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14-02-19, 10:20 PM
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Paisley
Join Date: Aug 2006
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