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Old 06-02-19, 06:35 PM   #7161
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French club Nantes have demanded payment from Cardiff City over the £15m transfer of Emiliano Sala, BBC Wales has learned.

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Tricky one isnt it...
All signed and done, does he have to have actually played for cardiff to have "left" nantes.
Sounds a bit mercenary but i suppose technically they are right.
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Old 06-02-19, 06:44 PM   #7162
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Tricky one isnt it...
All signed and done, does he have to have actually played for cardiff to have "left" nantes.
Sounds a bit mercenary but i suppose technically they are right.
Like you said .....He was officially a Cardiff City player so Nantes are within their rights to ask for the Transfer payments whether it's morally right or wrong is down to each individual.
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Old 06-02-19, 06:57 PM   #7163
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Maybe the timing isn't great. Cardiff have already said they will pay once all paperwork has been verified.
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Old 06-02-19, 06:58 PM   #7164
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Maybe the timing isn't great. Cardiff have already said they will pay once all paperwork has been verified.
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Old 06-02-19, 07:38 PM   #7165
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If the deal was signed and done then they need to pay the fee and claim back in insurance.
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Old 06-02-19, 09:13 PM   #7166
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If the deal was signed and done then they need to pay the fee and claim back in insurance.
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Old 06-02-19, 09:19 PM   #7167
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If the deal was signed and done then they need to pay the fee and claim back in insurance.
I don't think waiting until everything has been verified and the dust has settled a little to be unreasonable. Plus I'm sure the insurance is only covering 50% so that needs to be looked into.

Insurance payments on a car or home can take months, I really don't see this type of situation being resolved any sooner.
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Old 06-02-19, 09:28 PM   #7168
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I don't think waiting until everything has been verified and the dust has settled a little to be unreasonable. Plus I'm sure the insurance is only covering 50% so that needs to be looked into.

Insurance payments on a car or home can take months, I really don't see this type of situation being resolved any sooner.
I agree the timing is shocking, however for purposes of tax and the books I can see where the club is coming from. They need to balance them.
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Old 06-02-19, 09:36 PM   #7169
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Mate who’s a Cardiff city fan thinks the transfer fee will be taken care of by insurance. The contract to Sala however is another thing.
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Old 06-02-19, 10:51 PM   #7170
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Disagree with most of the posts. They haven't even found the body. Massively Disrespectful. Imagine if you knew anyone involved. It's not about the mechanics of insurance FFS
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Old 07-02-19, 07:46 AM   #7171
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Old 07-02-19, 07:58 AM   #7172
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Disagree with most of the posts. They haven't even found the body. Massively Disrespectful. Imagine if you knew anyone involved. It's not about the mechanics of insurance FFS
If you read the story though they've just sent an invoice, all the demand stuff is tacked on to give it added drama. Likely an accountant so far removed from the footballing side of the club he doesn't have a clue beyond the books.

To spin it the other way is it massively disrespectful of Cardiff to use the accident as an excuse to delay paying?

A potential none story which in of itself is disrespectful to the families. Keep it between the clubs, no story, no upset.
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Old 07-02-19, 07:33 PM   #7173
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Old 07-02-19, 11:30 PM   #7174
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Surely if he made 1,000 more kids could go, not sure i understand.
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Breaking now that the body in the plane is Sala's.
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what happened to the pilot?
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Old 08-02-19, 12:04 AM   #7177
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Breaking now that the body in the plane is Sala's.
Very sad ... but some form of closure for the Sala family... Now hopefully the pilot can be found and laid to rest.
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It is sad but what I find strange is the type of plane that was chartered for a £15m premier league footballer. It looked like something instructors use to give flying lessons in and certainly not the type of plane to use at night flying over the sea in winter with.
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what happened to the pilot?
Most likely washed away in the current.
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Old 08-02-19, 12:23 AM   #7180
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It is sad but what I find strange is the type of plane that was chartered for a £15m premier league footballer. It looked like something instructors use to give flying lessons in and certainly not the type of plane to use at night flying over the sea in winter with.
Totally agree with all the money in football and thatís the best plane they could charter
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Old 08-02-19, 01:21 AM   #7181
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It is sad but what I find strange is the type of plane that was chartered for a £15m premier league footballer. It looked like something instructors use to give flying lessons in and certainly not the type of plane to use at night flying over the sea in winter with.
I agree, particularly about the night bit. Was chartered by the player and his agents though.

Cardiff were going to book him scheduled flight.

Looking at it non emotionally it is mental that you let a £15m asset get into a plane like that.

I wonder if there are insurance clauses around that sort of thing? And if there aren’t, I’ll bet there will be soon.
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Old 08-02-19, 08:15 AM   #7182
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Surely if he made 1,000 more kids could go, not sure i understand.

thatís a good point, I liked the fact he played for virtually free for his boyhood club.
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Old 08-02-19, 09:11 AM   #7183
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thatís a good point, I liked the fact he played for virtually free for his boyhood club.
I think he wiped clear the debt or something as well, they were in a difficult situation and he cleared and offered to play for free, IIRC.
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Old 08-02-19, 10:47 AM   #7184
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Old 08-02-19, 01:06 PM   #7185
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Very sad ... but some form of closure for the Sala family... Now hopefully the pilot can be found and laid to rest.
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Old 08-02-19, 10:44 PM   #7186
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Edit just saw they conceded 3 late goals in 12 mins for a 3-3 draw. You’d be pissed off wouldn’t you.
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Old 12-02-19, 08:30 AM   #7188
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Refugee footballer Hakeem al-Araibi has returned home to Australia after two months of detention in Thailand.

The Bahraini citizen was detained in Bangkok in November while on honeymoon, at the request of Bahrain authorities.

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As he walked out of the airport arrival gates, Hakeem al-Araibi seemed astounded by the welcoming party that had gathered to greet him.

Some supporters had banners and posters baring his picture, others wore T-shirts with the campaign slogan #SaveHakeem.

They cheered as if greeting a cup-winning captain and sang one of football's most poignant anthems, You'll Never Walk Alone.
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Old 17-02-19, 10:10 AM   #7189
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few reports today that cardiff are now trying to get out of paying the fee
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Old 17-02-19, 10:50 AM   #7190
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Well they either owe it or they don't. The money aspect was always going to be unseemly but does need determining ultimately.
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Old 17-02-19, 11:21 AM   #7191
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Well they either owe it or they don't. The money aspect was always going to be unseemly but does need determining ultimately.
Could argue against both sides really. If Cardiff are refusing to pay it means that Nantes are demanding it.

Most respectful outcome would be for Cardiff to pay half as that's the only way neither side benefits or suffers through his death
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Old 17-02-19, 12:23 PM   #7192
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Could argue against both sides really. If Cardiff are refusing to pay it means that Nantes are demanding it.

Most respectful outcome would be for Cardiff to pay half as that's the only way neither side benefits or suffers through his death
Not sure contract law works on a 'most respectful basis'

If the contracts were signed by Cardiff then they owe Nantes whatever the agreed fee was.

Emotive arguments aside Cardiff should be abiding by the contractually agreed payment schedule. Anything else is utter shitehousery on Cardiff's part.
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I'm not talking about contractual law though, I'm saying what I think is appropriately respectful
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Cardiff need to pay up if the contracts were signed and he was officially a Cardiff player. If they are refusing they are bang out of order. They will also need to settle Sala's contract with his family.
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Cardiff are coming across appallingly, who knows where the paper work was officially at but their dickhead chairman speaking yet more shit in the media on the weekend of the lads funeral? Christ.

And what the fuck is this bollocks about writing to clubs asking if they were interested in Sala? What the hell has that got to do with anything? Cardiff agreed the fee with Nantes and were happy to do that deal, it doesn't matter if no one else wanted him or Real, us, Barca and Bayern wanted him.

"the player that Cardiff tried to sign" no you cunts, you signed him as you gladly announced on your own website.

Southampton need to get their act together and get these fuckers relegated and hopefully they are blacklisted by clubs regarding transfers.
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Old 17-02-19, 12:49 PM   #7196
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Stay classy Cardiff. I hope they go down.

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Cardiff need to pay up if the contracts were signed and he was officially a Cardiff player. If they are refusing they are bang out of order. They will also need to settle Sala's contract with his family.
It's probably a little more complicated than that. Sounds like they definitely owe Nantes a fee, but maybe not the amount if any of it was conditional, eg appearances based. And it sounds as though they are trying to find out if the agent made fraudulent representations during the negotiations (there are leaked emails that suggest this may have happened), and they might want to use that to pay the agent less, or hold him responsible for an element of the transfer fee if he did. No business would blindly part with millions of pounds without considering these things.
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It does look so at first sight, but unless they refuse to pay anything owed to the family than I don't think whether Nantes or Willie Mckay get paid X or y has much relevance to the memory of the guy himself, or his family. When there is a business involving the buying and selling of labour, these kind of issues will inevitably arise every so often unfortunately.
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Not sure contract law works on a 'most respectful basis'

If the contracts were signed by Cardiff then they owe Nantes whatever the agreed fee was.

Emotive arguments aside Cardiff should be abiding by the contractually agreed payment schedule. Anything else is utter shitehousery on Cardiff's part.
This might be put on the agent that organised the flight, Sala apparently declining to use travel provided by Cardiff City and organising his own via the agent.

Looks like theyíre looking into negligence at the moment.
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