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Old 16-09-20, 05:26 PM   #321
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Another striker imminent then?
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Old 16-09-20, 05:29 PM   #322
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Another striker imminent then?
A forward rather than a striker most likely.

Ismailia Sarr seems to be the one getting linked.
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Old 16-09-20, 05:34 PM   #323
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Another striker imminent then?
I would hope so but it doesn't necessarily follow, even if Brewster leaves we still have more options than we had at the start of last season
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Old 17-09-20, 10:07 AM   #324
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Selling him makes sense. I don't think he fits the mould in our set-up and he needs games to progress.

We need a more flexible attacker that can play in the Firmino or wide role.

Getting the dollars in with a sell-one and buy-back clauses is good business.
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Old 17-09-20, 11:52 AM   #325
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Maybe because Minamino looks to have settled so well in preseason we’ve decided to cash in On Brewster’s potential
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Old 17-09-20, 07:31 PM   #326
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I don't think getting rid means we don't rate him highly or think he won't score a shed load of goals somewhere. It's just we don't play with a recognised centre forward in our setup and klopp is here for a while. I don't think Fowler would have got much of a look in under klopp either. Kane would struggle with our system. So it's probably better for the player and us that he gets games elsewhere. I really hope he goes on to be brilliant but doesn't sign for utd.
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Old 18-09-20, 12:18 AM   #327
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I don't think getting rid means we don't rate him highly or think he won't score a shed load of goals somewhere. It's just we don't play with a recognised centre forward in our setup and klopp is here for a while. I don't think Fowler would have got much of a look in under klopp either. Kane would struggle with our system. So it's probably better for the player and us that he gets games elsewhere. I really hope he goes on to be brilliant but doesn't sign for utd.
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Old 18-09-20, 07:46 AM   #328
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I’ll be surprised if we shift him as he is one of our home grown players, especially if we don’t replace them in our squad.
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Old 18-09-20, 07:50 AM   #329
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I don't think getting rid means we don't rate him highly or think he won't score a shed load of goals somewhere. It's just we don't play with a recognised centre forward in our setup and klopp is here for a while. I don't think Fowler would have got much of a look in under klopp either. Kane would struggle with our system. So it's probably better for the player and us that he gets games elsewhere. I really hope he goes on to be brilliant but doesn't sign for utd.
Yeah it's a good point. I've often wondered if even someone as good as Aubameyang would be a starter in our system, when you have such a unique player as Firmino.
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Old 18-09-20, 08:48 AM   #330
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Yeah it's a good point. I've often wondered if even someone as good as Aubameyang would be a starter in our system, when you have such a unique player as Firmino.
He was the main main up front under Klopp for 2-3 years at Dortmund, wasn't he? So I wonder if Klopp's style has evolved or he has changed the system slightly to suit the players he has available to him
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Old 18-09-20, 08:50 AM   #331
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He was the main main up front under Klopp for 2-3 years at Dortmund, wasn't he? So I wonder if Klopp's style has evolved or he has changed the system slightly to suit the players he has available to him
Bit of both isn't it. I mean he worked successfully with Lewandowski as his 9 for a while.
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He was the main main up front under Klopp for 2-3 years at Dortmund, wasn't he? So I wonder if Klopp's style has evolved or he has changed the system slightly to suit the players he has available to him
I can't remember but he used to play 4231 and there's talk of him reverting to that again this season.

I've no doubt Fowler, Kane etc would score loads under Klopp, it'd just require more control in midfield and work from the wide players. Proof of this is Salah scoring more in the striker role he's played on occasion.
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Old 18-09-20, 09:27 AM   #333
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He was the main main up front under Klopp for 2-3 years at Dortmund, wasn't he? So I wonder if Klopp's style has evolved or he has changed the system slightly to suit the players he has available to him
I think it has. I think it still is. I think Thiago is a sign there's still small changes in style to come too.

I do have some reservations about relying so much on Firmino though. There genuinely are very few players who play the way he does.
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Old 18-09-20, 09:54 AM   #334
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He used Lucas Barrios too to good success before Lewandowski and Auba. I think Barrios might be the most traditional 9 of them all. Although the other players in that team were completely different. I think he feels that a 9 won't always be the best solution in this team because of how dynamic it is and how we play/move the ball. Rather than 'his' tactical style evolving overall. Regardless, if the player is good enough, they'll play and we'll find a way to fit them into our system. If Lewa arrived tomorrow, do you think he'd be benched? I very much doubt it - obviously Brewster is a good player who may become excellent, but it's really hard to get him into the team and more difficult to change our system fundamentally for him at this stage in his career/development.

I've found it interesting that when we have played 4-2-3-1 he's often used Salah as the striker with Mane or Shaqiri on the right or Origi on the left. We've seen some experiments with Mane as the striker - which I prefer. I don't know it just never looks quite right to me with Salah in that 9 position. I'm sure someone will dig up stats and tell me he's scored a hatful in limited time there but I prefer him on the right.

It's a tricky one because sometimes I would like us to have a more traditional striker and see them finish more standard goals. On the other hand, I love Firmino's industry, movement and cleverness - he is an attacking midfielder who excels up top in our system but some of the chances would be so easy for a quality 9. I then think 'would they be in position to score those?' because Firmino was often involved in the build up play and found space somehow to miss the simple chances like against Leeds when he was slid through. I don't know, guess it's a chicken egg situation.
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Old 18-09-20, 10:02 AM   #335
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I'd prefer firmino as the 10 so still involved in the pressing and build up play.
Out of our front three I think mane would be the better all round finisher, great pace and better with both feet than Salah.
Salah would be too "easy" for a defender as they all know he's going to move the ball to his left side.

Would be interesting if klopp to play brewster as a 10 in the reserves to get him more involved in build up play.
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Old 18-09-20, 10:12 AM   #336
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Yep super interesting points re 4-2-3-1. I've always thought Salah would the 9 in that formation, given Mane's ability to roast defenders by being able to inside our outside them, but Mane up top is also interesting. He'd hold the ball up a bit better and probably be a lot better in the air
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Old 18-09-20, 10:24 AM   #337
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i always thought that we would rotate the #9 throughout the game..... Salah and Mane taking turns up top or wide......and Firmino taking turns to go to #10.......
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Old 18-09-20, 10:40 AM   #338
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He used Lucas Barrios too to good success before Lewandowski and Auba. I think Barrios might be the most traditional 9 of them all. Although the other players in that team were completely different. I think he feels that a 9 won't always be the best solution in this team because of how dynamic it is and how we play/move the ball. Rather than 'his' tactical style evolving overall. Regardless, if the player is good enough, they'll play and we'll find a way to fit them into our system. If Lewa arrived tomorrow, do you think he'd be benched? I very much doubt it - obviously Brewster is a good player who may become excellent, but it's really hard to get him into the team and more difficult to change our system fundamentally for him at this stage in his career/development.

I've found it interesting that when we have played 4-2-3-1 he's often used Salah as the striker with Mane or Shaqiri on the right or Origi on the left. We've seen some experiments with Mane as the striker - which I prefer. I don't know it just never looks quite right to me with Salah in that 9 position. I'm sure someone will dig up stats and tell me he's scored a hatful in limited time there but I prefer him on the right.

It's a tricky one because sometimes I would like us to have a more traditional striker and see them finish more standard goals. On the other hand, I love Firmino's industry, movement and cleverness - he is an attacking midfielder who excels up top in our system but some of the chances would be so easy for a quality 9. I then think 'would they be in position to score those?' because Firmino was often involved in the build up play and found space somehow to miss the simple chances like against Leeds when he was slid through. I don't know, guess it's a chicken egg situation.
Good post.

Although, just because I remember it from the time, Salah was much more prolific CF that season. A quick search suggests 13 from 13 CF and 9 from 24 RW.

I too would prefer him RW, but I'm not intelligent to know the difference in role between 433 and 4231 and why he's preferred CF in the latter.
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Maybe because Minamino looks to have settled so well in preseason we’ve decided to cash in On Brewster’s potential
plus mbappe coming end of season...
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Good post.

Although, just because I remember it from the time, Salah was much more prolific CF that season. A quick search suggests 13 from 13 CF and 9 from 24 RW.

I too would prefer him RW, but I'm not intelligent to know the difference in role between 433 and 4231 and why he's preferred CF in the latter.
I knew that statistically I'd be proven wrong! Just goes to show that the 'eye test' is bullshit and our perceptions are often pretty flawed. Still, much prefer him on the right.
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He wants out apparently at the end of the season why not us?
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Sky reporting that Palace have bid £19M + 5M in add-ons for Brewster - with a buy back clause.
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Yep. £37m buy back. Bit steep!

I'd much rather he went to Sheff Utd to work with Wilder than have his development stunted by fucking Hodgson.

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I wonder if it means Zaha is on his way.

Anyway, feel we kind of owe Palace after Benteke and to a lesser extent Sakho (as he's never fit).
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Yep. £37m buy back. Bit steep!

I'd much rather he went to Sheff Utd to work with Wilder than have his development stunted by fucking Hodgson.

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They also signed Michy right? He won’t be first choice there - the prospect of being Hodged would worry me but I guess a move back to London appeals to him
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Our strategy of getting incoming transfers completed before we send anyone out is genius negotiation wise. We've clearly played the 'uncertain financial future' card to get the best deals (paying over 4 years for both Jota and Thiago) which would be more difficult if we had just trousered £25m for Brewster.
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Easy money

and buy back clause too! Watch Edwards put a sell on clause in there too, so we'd probably barely be paying anything for him if we ever bought him back
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When was the last time a striker fired under Hodgson?

That Sorloth looked the worst striker ever under Roy at Palace, went to Trabzonspor on loan and broke all sorts of goalscoring records. Scored about 30 in as many games, and is now on the brink of signing for Leipzig.

I can't think of any striker flourishing under Hodgson in recent years. Anyone?
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Zaha? Not exactly a striker I guess
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yeah roy is a bi of a striker killer alright..... Bobby Zamora had a few games under him at fulham many years ago....

I am not sure it is a good move for Brewster. As someone said, I just don't know how often he will play. I wonder will palace play with 2 up top in future??? Michy and Ayew??? With Brewster back up to that???

Regarding the buy-back clauses, I wonder is that a ploy by LFC. Didn't they put one on Brad Smith and Jordan Ibe too???
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When was the last time a striker fired under Hodgson?

That Sorloth looked the worst striker ever under Roy at Palace, went to Trabzonspor on loan and broke all sorts of goalscoring records. Scored about 30 in as many games, and is now on the brink of signing for Leipzig.

I can't think of any striker flourishing under Hodgson in recent years. Anyone?
Definitely not big shit Chris. He went there in poor form and has since regressed.

I dunno, the thought of working under an old codger like Roy would be off putting for me. Saying all of that, he seems to be able to create a decent mid-table prem team.
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I'm sure there were rumours in the main papers a few weeks ago about Origi being linked to Villa, for around 25m quid. Not sure if this was before or after Watkins was joining though
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Definitely not big shit Chris. He went there in poor form and has since regressed.

I dunno, the thought of working under an old codger like Roy would be off putting for me. Saying all of that, he seems to be able to create a decent mid-table prem team.
Working under Hodgson would be a big no no for me, especially as a young player looking to develop.
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Working under Hodgson would be a big no no for me, especially as a young player looking to develop.
Let's face it though, he won't realistically be coming back here
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I'm sure there were rumours in the main papers a few weeks ago about Origi being linked to Villa, for around 25m quid. Not sure if this was before or after Watkins was joining though
Yeah I think I have seen them liked as front runners for Origi and Wilson over the last month or so, not sure if there is anything in it or not
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